1. #1

    Is this upgradable?

    Hey.

    My uncle wants to get rid of his desktop PC, giving it to me. Currently, I play WoW on Low Settings at 15 FPS, on my pre-historical laptop. I know his PC will do more than that, but I want to know if I can upgrade his PC, on an initial 200 Euro budget (for the first, necessary steps). Upgrade at least enough to play WoW at a steady 40+ FPS rate with View Distance and Particle Density in Ultra, and, if possible, Liquid Detail on Fair. I don't care about shadows.

    His PC spec is as following:
    MS Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP
    CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E4500; 2.20GHz; 46 ºC
    Conroe 65nm Technology
    RAM - 3.0GB Dual-Channel DDR2 at 333MHz (5-5-5-15)
    Motherboard - ASUSTek Computer INC. Leonite2(Socket 775)
    Graphics - HP w1907 (1280x768 at 60Hz)
    256MB GeForce 8400 GS (ASUStek Computer Inc) 65 ºC
    Hard Drives - 244GB Hitachi Hitachi HDT25025VLA380 (SATA) 34 ºC
    Optical Drives - HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GSA-H60L
    Audio - Realtek High Definition Audio.

  2. #2
    It really depends on the PSU. If you have a decent PSU then yeah you can (and the case room).
    CPU - i7-950 @ 4.1ghz
    GPU - GTX 470 @ 880/1760/2100
    Storage - 2x Crucial C300 64GB SSD Raid 0 / 1x WD CB 1TB / 2x WD CB 640GB
    Memory - 6GB Corsair Dominator 1600
    PSU - 1000W Coolermaster Silent Pro
    Case - Coolermaster HAF X
    CPU Water Block - EK Supreme Nickel/Plexi CPU Water Block
    GPU Water Block - EK GTX 470 Nickel/Plexi GPU Water Block

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle View Post
    It really depends on the PSU. If you have a decent PSU then yeah you can (and the case room).
    I don't know my PSU. Should be somewhere here (more info of my uncle's desktop PC). Please help.

    Device Tree
    PC com base em X86 ACPI
    Sistema compatível com Microsoft ACPI
    Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 at 2.20GHz
    Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 at 2.20GHz
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    Placa de sistema
    Dissipador ACPI
    Zona térmica ACPI
    Botão de funcionalidade fixa ACPI
    Barramento de PCI
    Intel(R) 945G/GZ/P/PL Processor to I/O Controller - 2770
    Controlador SMBus Intel(R) 82801G (Família ICH7) - 27DA
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    NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS
    HP w1907 Wide LCD Monitor
    Controlador de High Definition Audio
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Porta Raiz PCI Express Intel(R) 82801G (Família ICH7) - 27D0
    Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1200 (Model 71xxx, Hybrid DVB-T, No FP)
    Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27C8
    Concentrador raiz USB (usbport)
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    Serial Number 80252489
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    Frequency 333.3 MHz
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    Part Number M3 78T6553EZS-CE6
    Serial Number 8126EDA8
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    JEDEC #3
    Frequency 333.3 MHz
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    Frequency 266.7 MHz
    CAS# Latency 4.0
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    Frequency 200.0 MHz
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    RAS# Precharge 3
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    Chipset Vendor Intel
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    Brand Phoenix Technologies, LTD
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    Date 07/27/2007
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    Name HP w1907 on NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS
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  4. #4
    you can buy a better core 2 duo and some ram and a better gpu (like an HD 5770) , but it totally doesnt worth it seriously , you better sell this for few hundred and buy a new core i5 2xxx built

  5. #5
    You are very limited on the hardware upgrade options, and to be perfectly honest on that hardware even after upgrades you will not reach any decent framerate with ultra settings.
    A new PC will offer you considerably more options and while I agree that was not your original request, I think expecting an easy upgrade route to such a substantial improvement is not going to happen without replacing all the core components, being the motherboard, CPU, RAM and Graphics Card.
    A task considerably more expensive than you intended, and at that point are better starting from scratch.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarfall View Post
    My uncle wants to get rid of his desktop PC, giving it to me. Currently, I play WoW on Low Settings at 15 FPS, on my pre-historical laptop. I know his PC will do more than that, but I want to know if I can upgrade his PC, on an initial 200 Euro budget (for the first, necessary steps). Upgrade at least enough to play WoW at a steady 40+ FPS rate with View Distance and Particle Density in Ultra, and, if possible, Liquid Detail on Fair. I don't care about shadows.
    If you want to raid 25-mans at high settings that old computer is going to be weak even with 200€ upgrades.

    To be totally honest with it you can, depending on motherboard, sink about 300-400€ and get it playable to around 20-30fps at medium/high settings, but you should rather spend 600€ to buy whole new computer which runs twice as fast without carrying over too many five year old parts that will only drag you down.
    Never going to log into this garbage forum again as long as calling obvious troll obvious troll is the easiest way to get banned.
    Trolling should be.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    You are very limited on the hardware upgrade options, and to be perfectly honest on that hardware even after upgrades you will not reach any decent framerate with ultra settings.
    A new PC will offer you considerably more options and while I agree that was not your original request, I think expecting an easy upgrade route to such a substantial improvement is not going to happen without replacing all the core components, being the motherboard, CPU, RAM and Graphics Card.
    A task considerably more expensive than you intended, and at that point are better starting from scratch.
    What would be the most cost-efficient computer to get, to run WoW with View Distance and Particle Density on Ultra with steady 40+ FPS?

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