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    Dk race :) (Unholy DPS)

    Recently rerolled DK.. ive got a faction changed pendin for wen ive got home from work from ally to horde..

    what would be the best race to pick and why??

    the thing is im not goin to focus all PvE or all PvP.. im gonna dabble with both...

    aparently orcs are best race to go due to the racial CD.. but what about goblin?? due to the 1% haste which would also be very good for dks...

    would love some input into this thanks.

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    dps - ally = Worgen
    horde = Orc

    Tank - ally = Nelf
    horde = Tauren
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    If you just want the best racials, take orc.

    If you want style, just one word: troll

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    Blood Elf still best H race, silence + free runic power.
    Or Goblin.

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    Horde
    Tank
    Blood Tauren (Stamina)
    Damage
    Frost Goblin (Haste)
    Unholy Orc (Pet)

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    tauren is a terrible choice for racial. only choose them if you like them asthetically. really it just boils down to preference, I play blood elf because arcane torrent is so great for stacking up packs of caster trash. not to mention a FREE interupt. if you are purely unholy and only care about min maxing then orc is the best, followed by goblin, followed by troll, then blood elf / tauren are equally useless for dps.

    Really though you should pick the race you enjoy looking at, even in high level gear the difference of race to dps is marginal at bestl.

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    Quote from Elitist Jerks:
    (From Unholy Dps Thread)
    Orc
    Orcs have long been the absolute best race for Unholy dps, and they still are for Horde. 3 expertise when using an axe/fist, 5% pet damage, and a 15s boost to AP every 2 minutes is almost tailored to fit the spec. The expertise boost is based on weapon itemization available and the AP cooldown is quite decent (1170 at 85), thus being enough to place Orcs a step below Worgen if you're looking at the absolute best race, faction regardless. Still, Orcs are as solid a choice as ever.

    (From Frost Dps Thread)
    Goblin
    It shouldn’t come as any huge surprise that Goblins, being a brand new race, are much better than average. 1% increased attack/cast speed is quite decent, and a resource-free nuke (or, alternatively, blink) on a 2 minute cooldown is free dps, pure and simple. Easily the best horde race for Frost, although the competition isn’t exactly stellar, and they would easily lose out to Worgen and, potentially, Draenei.
    If you want to tank, Tauren gives 1k+ hp bonus. Not a big difference tho. But for raid trash and heroic tanking, war stomp is indeed a good skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Operand View Post
    Horde
    Tank
    Blood Tauren (Stamina)
    Damage
    Frost Goblin (Haste)
    Unholy Orc (Pet)
    though this is true the orc pet part is pretty useless and meaningless. 5% pet damage equates to roughly in an 8 minute fight about 80k damage. though its an increase this is pretty meaningless. though that combined with the AP from blood fury is what makes the difference along with the possibility of the axe bonus. these in combination are what make orcs best for UH. otherwise the haste is better based on the pet part only you listed for UH.
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    Unholy PVE - Orc. (+Pet damage, +5 expertise with axes/maces, +5% pet damage)
    Frost PVE - Goblin. (+1% attack speed, free blink/rocket)
    PVP - Blood Elf. (+interrupt)

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    Hmm...

    Orcs for Horde.

    Worgen for Allies, or NELFs for tanking.

    Orcs are best for DPS, and tanking, regardless of what anyone says.

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    Orcs have their racial, wich isnt really that great, but they have a 5% increased pet damage, and your ghoul is going to be you most damaging ability as Unholy. Goblns have 1% haste, your best secondary stat, and either a free ranged dps move or a blink ability. At least pre-4.0.6 Orcs come on top in pure PvE(From Elitistjerks), not sure about PvP.

    http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t110294-...4_0_3_stay_me/

    All of this will not be valid in the soon upcoming patch, however, with the change to DK mastery and all.

    Good luck and have fun with your new Death Knight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamezfan View Post
    Orcs have their racial, wich isnt really that great, but they have a 5% increased pet damage, and your ghoul is going to be you most damaging ability as Unholy. Goblns have 1% haste, your best secondary stat, and either a free ranged dps move or a blink ability. At least pre-4.0.6 Orcs come on top in pure PvE(From Elitistjerks), not sure about PvP.

    http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t110294-...4_0_3_stay_me/

    All of this will not be valid in the soon upcoming patch, however, with the change to DK mastery and all.

    Good luck and have fun with your new Death Knight
    I hope you're kidding.

    Orcs get:
    * 5 Expertise with Axes.
    * 5% Extra Pet Damage.
    * 15% Less Stun-time.
    * 1170 Attack Power, 15 seconds, on a 2 minute cooldown (The equivalent of a small trinket proc).

    This also leads to not only a DPS gain, but a threat gain as well. Honestly, Orc wins for anything, whether it be tanking, or DPSing. Others may argue that Taurens are better for tanking, but I stand firm in disagreeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damson View Post
    dps - ally = Worgen
    horde = Orc

    Tank - ally = Nelf
    horde = Tauren
    You are so wrong. Dorf for tanking if you're ally. The armor racial is pretty much a unique cd imo.

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    Goblns have 1% haste
    No they do not. 1% speed increase on attack and cast is not 1% haste... it's a lot less attractive. It doesn't affect rune regeneration for example.

    Dorf for tanking if you're ally. The armor racial is pretty much a unique cd imo.
    With the next patch, probably the best tanking race overall. The racial is changed to 10% damage reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shieldd View Post
    Orcs for Horde.

    Worgen for Allies, or NELFs for tanking.

    Orcs are best for DPS, and tanking, regardless of what anyone says.
    Pretty illogical to say this when both tauren and blood elf dk tanks have more utility at no cost than an orc. The tiny extra threat an orc can produce isn't important and threat isn't even close to being an issue at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greymalkin View Post
    No they do not. 1% speed increase on attack and cast is not 1% haste... it's a lot less attractive. It doesn't affect rune regeneration for example.
    Are you actually sure about this? On the PTR (where haste buffs show in the character pane) the extra 1% haste is shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flelitta View Post
    You are so wrong. Dorf for tanking if you're ally. The armor racial is pretty much a unique cd imo.
    Nelf racial quickness > armor

    Cause having more armor isnt as good as just not getting hit.

    ---------- Post added 2011-01-28 at 08:50 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by nilnar View Post
    Are you actually sure about this? On the PTR (where haste buffs show in the character pane) the extra 1% haste is shown.
    Not sure but I think goblin racial haste says it only effects attack speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nilnar View Post
    Pretty illogical to say this when both tauren and blood elf dk tanks have more utility at no cost than an orc. The tiny extra threat an orc can produce isn't important and threat isn't even close to being an issue at the moment.
    Not at all, the expertise gain can allow you to not have to worry about any form of threat gain, and allows all of it to be reforged. If a tank doesn't balance them somewhat, he's not very good.

    Expertise is important, that one split second, that your Death Strike could have healed you, it just happened to be dodged... What then!?... Much more beneficial, if you ask me.
    Last edited by Shieldd; 2011-01-28 at 11:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Operand View Post
    Horde

    Damage
    Frost Goblin (Haste) and a free jump, additional mobility is always a good thing while raiding
    Unholy Orc (Pet)
    This, go goblin or orc if you want to min max pve dps.
    Tauren racials got nerfed alot imo, now gives something like 1500hp which is just lame. I saw many tanks (our warrior tank inculded) changing race because tauren racials now sucks.

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    Orcs by far.
    5% more pet damage, 3 extra expertise if you wear an axe and a decent AP buff.
    Not to mention that Orc females look great in current t11 gear!

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