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  1. #41
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    Patriotism is thinking your country is great because you were born in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stirgid View Post
    I would definitely disagree; the numbers don't exactly say anything with regards to human well-being. Health care is now much more dependent on personal financial backing, something a lot of chronically indisposed people lack. Health care as well as public transportation, but especially health care, now weigh much heavier on the financial situations of the ones who need it most.
    Chronicly ill people are still payed for by the government. Has nothing to do with the privatization with the rest of the healthcare system.
    The increased own risk is only on government payed services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorold View Post
    private healthcare: Wants to make as much money as possible, people with possibly chronic illnesses are more likely to come back, which means more money because of that, then you get offered expensive medicine to relieve you of the pains associated with your illness, so they don't cure you, just help you get through it, while draining your money.

    Public healthcare: Wants to make money off you by you being fit to work, so they want to try and cure you as fast as possible to limit costs. When your sick, you can't really make money ( state taxes ) and spend money ( funneling money through society ) when you aren't able to spend money, the money you have will just sit in the bank, draining the state of money.

    that's why state controlled monopoly is usually better than privatized, atleast when it comes to health...
    In limited simple theory like that the government does everything best. In reality it never does though.

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    because humans like to put everything down to feel better

    humans love to judge

    everything you hate about the human race is the human race and always will be, we're horrible.

    racists have the same opinion of why other races sucks. "Because my race is better"

    that's pride in your race. pride really is a good way to breed hate, you can't be PROUD of who you are without being proud of who you are not, and being glad you're not that guy is the seed to hate that guy.

    people will argue to validate their attitude, will deny it but take a look around, the world is shitty, people are murdered daily for no good reason.

    i'm not saying it should change, i'm not that stupid, it can't change just like lions will always at zebras when they're hungry.

    we spend more time hating that loving and that's who we are. might as well roll with it, doesn't bother me a bit to admit i hate most people, i won't bother them but i don't give a shit about their story either, you stay on your side, i'll stay on mine, we can exist separately
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomag View Post
    It's quite obvious that countries with a higher life standard will have many nationalists while countries that are poor will have the most citizens who don't give a crap about their own country.
    how so... Thats just blatant ignorance... So your saying that the poor americans cannot be proud of being american? Nazi didnt have a very high standard of living and there were many nationalist... it was quite the opposite...

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    A government regulated service however, is not driven by profit. It is (to put it very simply) driven to make its product a success. In the case of health care, this means ensuring that as many people as possible get a good health care plan.
    People behind monopolies are pure evil, but people behind government are pure love. Ok...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    how so... Thats just blatant ignorance... So your saying that the poor americans cannot be proud of being american? Nazi didnt have a very high standard of living and there were many nationalist... it was quite the opposite...
    This was bound to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torian101 View Post
    What I personally don't understand is: Why are people afraid of being considered political globalists or internationalists? Whats so bad about a world united under one banner? (I'm not saying I want the EU or the US to conquer the entire world).
    In the case of the United States, the US Constitution enshrines certain rights and freedoms that may be lost if the Constitution is scrapped and everyone unites under a new global government. Americans have freedom of speech, assembly, the press, religion among other things. Government is designed to be limited in scope. Sure, maybe a global government would also enshrine these values. But maybe they won't. You need to give me a real good reason to take the risk that those freedoms will still be there before I'd consider switching governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzzie View Post
    im well aware of godwins law, but i didnt bring up Hitl- AW DAMMIT! Anyway, im just givin examples...






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    Quote Originally Posted by tenaka30 View Post
    I'm not so sure any governing body in charge of a country or group thereof can claim absolute purity.

    I have no idea of figures, majority or minority, but I believe there is a sizeable potion of the UK public would like your assistance in leaving this corrupt EU you speak of.
    Yes, it's called the UK indepenence party, who I voted for in the last election. Its not a major party, but it's fair to say it's the biggest of the minority parties.

    And I never stated any government wasn't corrupt, but when you take a number of countries with vastly different goals and beliefs, then slam them together and expect a calm, fair debate, it doesn't quite go so smoothly. Now take that and add into the equation some middle eastern countries where religion is the dominating force in their politics, and you get what's more commonly known as a 'political shit storm'

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    Public healthcare: Wants to make money off you by you being fit to work, so they want to try and cure you as fast as possible...
    The result is far more important than the intention. It doesn't matter that they want to cure me as fast as possible if the private healthcare can actually cure me faster than the public healthcare.

    At least that's what happens in Brazil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hraklea View Post
    People behind monopolies are pure evil, but people behind government are pure love. Ok...
    Yeah, having a blind faith in government is just as bad as having a blind faith in corporations. That's why one of the positives of the American system of government is that we believe in checks and balances. Government and corporations need to act as a check on each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    im well aware of godwins law, but i didnt bring up Hitl- AW DAMMIT! Anyway, im just givin examples...






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    Its happened before anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hraklea View Post
    The result is far more important than the intention. It doesn't matter that they want to cure me as fast as possible if the private healthcare can actually cure me faster than the public healthcare.

    At least that's what happens in Brazil.
    but will you be able to afford it ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Yeah, having a blind faith in government is just as bad as having a blind faith in corporations. That's why one of the positives of the American system of government is that we believe in checks and balances. Government and corporations need to act as a check on each other.
    and what happens when the corporations then buys the government >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzzie View Post
    Its happened before anyways.
    it sure has, but it almost like a grammar nazi - oh boy there it is again

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    but will you be able to afford it ;D
    Yes, I do. Curiously, the brazilian hospitals didn't make an "evil empire to make the entire population sick and get all of our money HA HA HA!!!".

    and what happens when the corporations then buys the government >_>
    Then we have one more reason not to believe in the government ^^.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Patriotism is thinking your country is great because you were born in it
    Incorrect, Patriotism is being brainwashed into believing all bullshit that *insert country name* has always fought on the side of right! has always defended the weak etc etc. Where in reality each and every country has tried to dominate others when it has had the chance.

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    I would only like to say that first of all I am a human, and after that I am a citizen of my country.

    In human history people first formed clans to work together and protect themselves. Those clans slowly were connected into countries either by unification or conquest.

    For centuries it seems that countries only divide people. Causing wars and so on. Because of these artificial things, as border or someone's citizenship, people divide themselves to 'better' or 'worse' ones. Instead of treating each other like human beings people become enemies to each other.

    If my country and it's 'patriotism' tells me that countr xxx is crap and so are its citizens, then i cba with this kind of patriotism. I don't feel any different than the guy behind the border, especially on the internet. And it annoys me that people always find a way to divide themselves
    I have enough of EA ruining great franchises and studios, forcing DRM and Origin on their games, releasing incomplete games only to sell day-1 DLCs or spill dozens of DLCs, and then saying it, and microtransactions, is what players want, stopping players from giving EA games poor reviews, as well as deflecting complaints with cheap PR tricks.

    I'm not going to buy any game by EA as long as they continue those practices.

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