Why Nationalism?

[xylophone]

Only because America is in it. And the other power-houses in NATO are much more likely to side with America, because we're their best friend.

Its not too late to back out Kal

[Beastclawx]

It sickens me that people call people who are nationalists idiots with low education etc.(Mostly Socialists say it ofc) while Socialism has cost about 150 milion lives. While Nationalism "Only" cost 60-120 milion lives. What im trying to say is that Socialists are most often hypocrite and cant get the facts in a line.

[Catta]

It sickens me that people call people who are nationalists idiots with low education etc.(Mostly Socialists say it ofc) while Socialism has cost about 150 milion lives. While Nationalism "Only" cost 60-120 milion lives. What im trying to say is that Socialists are most often hypocrite and cant get the facts in a line.

yes because one of the grand ideologies can be used to determine all we deem as part of said ideology as the same type of person

[Wolfwing]

Nationalism is so America can find out who we can "help" next....

hehehe....

[Kalyyn]

Its not too late to back out Kal

/cower!

Nationalism is so America can find out who we can "help" next....

hehehe....

Indeed. One of these days our president is just going to go "Fuck it, I'm Emperor of the World." Until then, all we can do is "help" people...

[Alex86el]

i dunno where ur from to say such a thing,
but where i come from, being a patriot is almost something u should be ashamed of.
even though my country has one of the richest
if not the richest written history and achievments.
the media is promoting the whole idea.

i'm from greece eu btw.
and if u say something like "i love my country"
there will definitelly be someone nearby to call u a fascist and other stuff,
that if u ask him what it means he probably will not know
and just quote something he heard on tv.

like Henry Kissinger once said on a comference ('74)
in washington, about globalisation and the USA's position...

"The Greek people are very difficult to tame.
For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots:
Perhaps then we can force them to conform.
I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their cultural and historical reserves,
so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail;
thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans
in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East"

what a mofo >_<
and i'm sure they do that with many more countries.

i have nothing against people from other nations,
and i have no problem with a world government.
the problem is that the people that are trying to bring
a global government want it for the wrong reasons
and always use deceitful ways to brainwash people,
mostly children through school and tv.

and i have nothing against citizens of countries like
the USA, Canada, Australia, most latino countries etc etc...
i just cannot understand how can someone be a nationalist or even patriot of such a country,
since his roots are obviously from somewhere else to begin with.

what i find weird though, is how many americans dont have any idea
whats going on outside usa. unlike most eu people.

and just to make a trollish and slightly offensive comment...
why are english and american people on the internet always SO rude? unlike others.
my english friends tell me that they dont mean to, its just their way of communicating... but still... O_o

now, about globalization...
i want nothing more than all of us to live together and love each other,
but i would not want the whole earth to have one culture, one race, one cousine, one language.. etc.
that would be very boring. and most of all it would be a shame to erase all the other cultures that exist or existed.

Indeed. One of these days our president is just going to go "Fuck it, I'm Emperor of the World." Until then, all we can do is "help" people...

almost true... in reality, there are 3 powers atm.

- the UN (basically the usa, with israel of course. the usa main weapon is diplomacy,
controled governments in half the globe, and of course the media)

- russia, with the second greatest economy providing gas to almost the whole world and much much oil.
and probably the greatest weapons arsenal along with the usa.

- china, who has by far the greatest economy atm, and the most army.

[Torian101]

Indeed. One of these days our president is just going to go "Fuck it, I'm Emperor of the World." Until then, all we can do is "help" people...

Yes, and we are just gonna let you conquer us without a hitch. Right...uh huh...suuuure =P

Btw, a lot of people have considered what a US or EU dominated world would be like (majority would be unhappy because the regulations said powers would impose upon other countries and regions would be considered weird for that region or culture) but use your imagination! Its unrealistic to assume that IF there will ever be a global nation, it will be one of the currently existing ones. Sure, it will probably have a great deal of cultural elements that are prevalent today, but a total mix of the western and eastern cultures is going to lead to some sort of middle ground. Politically speaking, I've always seen the European countries (I'm NOT talking about the European Union, I'm talking about the countries located in the European continent!) as a sort of microcosmos (micro cosm?) of the things to come: Mostly democratic, with some socialist elements (from the remnants of the USSR) to spice things up.

An extreme democracy or an extreme communism just isn't gonna work. All over history, its been the extremists that are on the fringe, while the moderated groups remain the most powerful.

[Kalyyn]

almost true... in reality, there are 3 powers atm.

- the UN (basically the usa, with israel of course. the usa main weapon is diplomacy,
controled governments in half the globe, and of course the media)

- russia, with the second greatest economy providing gas to almost the whole world and much much oil.
and probably the greatest weapons arsenal along with the usa.

- china, who has by far the greatest economy atm, and the most army.

Well, call me crazy, but I think America and China are inching towards a new kind of nation, where they remain two separate entities, but have governments and economies so closely intertwined that they are essentially one being. We Americans find more and more in common with China every day, and as two nations who's main concern is profit and efficiency, it would be in our best interest to work as one.

[Zecora]

It sickens me that people call people who are nationalists idiots with low education etc.(Mostly Socialists say it ofc) while Socialism has cost about 150 milion lives. While Nationalism "Only" cost 60-120 milion lives. What im trying to say is that Socialists are most often hypocrite and cant get the facts in a line.

Congratulations on a fine BS and hate post. Now get your facts straight, Socialism is an umbrella term for a lot of different political systems with a few basic similarities. Sweeping generalizations like yours just CANNOT be made about it. If you on the other hand say "Communism", then that is a different matter, as that is a lot more unified political system.

And for your information, I am a Socialist and I am also damn proud of my country, and I certainly dont wish it to give up its national sovereignty, nor its unique culture.

[Kalyyn]

Congratulations on a fine BS and hate post. Now get your facts straight, Socialism is an umbrella term for a lot of different political systems with a few basic similarities. Sweeping generalizations like yours just CANNOT be made about it. If you on the other hand say "Communism", then that is a different matter, as that is a lot more unified political system.

And for your information, I am a Socialist and I am also damn proud of my country, and I certainly dont wish it to give up its national sovereignty, nor its unique culture.

Good to see a socialist who hasn't been indoctrinated into that harmony and global love bs. I've always respected someone who will stand up for their beliefs and lifestyle, regardless of what they may be.

[mftaylordet]

Btw, a lot of people have considered what a US or EU dominated world would be like

It would be a lot like the 19th century.

[Deleted]

Socialism, Imperialism, Islamism, Nationalism...fuck that. Words including the suffix "ism" are most likely plain bullshit. We're human beings and not an ideology. I'd love to see a united Europe. I'd love to see a united world. But that won't happen. I can't possibly imagine any circumstances where the whole world would stick to one banner.

Well, if at all I'm europhoric (love that word). I mean every country in here has it's pro's and con's. But we share such a overwhelming cultural history. We can't be seen seperately. Of course I could say "I'm croatian". But that wouldn't feel right since I grew up in Germany, Austria, Italy, Serbia and Sweden. I'm european.

But still...I don't think Europe's better than Asia or Africa. We're just different. And we have the liability to support those continents not as lucky as we are.

[Deleted]

Yes, it's called the UK indepenence party, who I voted for in the last election. Its not a major party, but it's fair to say it's the biggest of the minority parties.

I know, I also voted UKIP. Maybe next time.... *sigh*

[Darkdruidelf]

I am the least nationalistic person ever. I dont see why my country is better than anyone elses, and I dont think that the people in my country are any better than anyone elses.

[Deleted]

the EU is one of the most corrupt organisations there is

For some reason I get the feeling you're american, a conspiracy nut or living in one of the eastern european countries.
Specially because I consider the American Government to have far many more skeletons in their closet than the EU.

There's not gonna be a one united nation under one flag, because you can't put all the national rules under a single rule-selection and call it quits. As Nakaya points outs, why would british want to live under the american idea of paying for health care when their government says "lets have free health care". And who in their right mind would want to live under the Chinese dictatorship? It's all about who's right and who's wrong and if you live under, let's just say the Netherlands Government, you either believe they are right and everyone else is wrong or vice versa. It's simple as that, hence why there's no way people are all gonna come together and find a solution - Because people are different and have their own ideas and solutions to everything and refuses to be influenced by others.

[Grimbold21]

Good to see a socialist who hasn't been indoctrinated into that harmony and global love bs. I've always respected someone who will stand up for their beliefs and lifestyle, regardless of what they may be.

Because the idea of world peace is bs right? No wonder we cant get it.

Im from Portugal and i dislike the idea of an European Superstate. I dislike the idea of a country giving up most of his rights to bow down to a central government, which in the end, is run by the most powerfull countries of the state, which is essentially Germany.

But dont worry, the US is going there aswell. Ever heard of the merge between Canada, USA and Mexico? Thats just another "European Superstate"...the north american union.

[Deleted]

Becouse people are stupid and think only about themselves.

I believe that your dream will become real, sooner or later. Unfortunately i know what will lead to this. A total war that will devastate every country. There is just no other way to show ppl that we need to be united, one big country. Unfortunately, pain is the key :/

One day, we will all stand under one banner. We can not evolve unless we are one.

sry dude... but this would be a nightmare. u cant control one big world nation. its some kind of stupid to think so.
its a dream, but it is not even close to be realistic. there would be so many law systems, so many social rules etc smashing together.
one world with one law would be impossible to handle.
u had to split the world, give diffrent law systems to diffrent parts of the world... aaaand here we go again.

i think the world is ok how it is. not perfect, but ok.
a little less -war, hunger. a little more freedom for the people living in the shit parts of it... and a overall population that is a little less selfish and it would be very good.

[Deleted]

There have been a few "What does the world think of country X" threads on the offtopic forum lately. From reading them, and other threads about international politics, I've noticed that some people seem dissapointed that their country isn't nationalist enough.
The same trend seems to appear in the overall populations of quite a few countries when they are faced with the prospect of joining the EU. As for the Americans...well that has always seemed to be a bit more complicated, but you could call that patriotism I guess (or COULD you? I'm European so I might not have a good view on American nationalism, so feel free to correct me).

What I personally don't understand is: Why are people afraid of being considered political globalists or internationalists? Whats so bad about a world united under one banner? (I'm not saying I want the EU or the US to conquer the entire world).
I for one applaud the concept of the EU and would love to see all of Europe united under one banner, instead of all these small countries just being on friendly terms but constantly looking out for THEIR own interests over that of their neighbours. To take this further, if the US and whatever union or federation the European countries are gonna unite into, decide to one day merge to form some sort of "United states of the West" thing, I couldn't be happier. But this is a sentiment that seems to be considered bad nowadays...why? Whats so great about nationalism? Isn't it just a limiting point of view that looks only at your own interests and kinda says: "screw all you outsiders!"?

Consider this: The EU is made up very different cultures. While the Germans already have to work until 67 people in other countries are raging because they want to raise the cap to 60. Germany has to pay for Greece as Greece is in a crisis. This is not unfair it is what its about. But in the end does that count?
The EU has very high goals but the way they approach them is flawed. They want to make everybody work with everybody else but no, they dont find a standard for laws that NEED standardization for it to work. All they try is to make copyright laws the same and ban certain things a small but powerful group wants banned. Or they try to make the Bigbrother state that works with the neighbors because the best way to stop criminals is to increase the size of the people you watch by 10.000.000% (no exaggeration) and then catch small fishes if not even no fishes at all but then tear things out of context to justify it again.

The problem are the different cultures. Work from 8 to 17? In germany yes but my friends in France start at 8.30 and go home 16 o'clock. They probably will stop working with 55-60 while I will be damned to work to 67 or even longer. Well Im aming to have my kids grown up by the time Im 50 so I can enjoy 5 years of my life and then jump off a bridge but thats another story.
Thats why nationalism is so popular. Well nationalism and patriotism in my eyes are the same thing with a different excuse.
nationalism: its not fair the other they take but I give
patriotism: hey we're better LOL I dont want to work with these scrubs!D:<

I also believe that the USA are having similar problems. While each state has their own authority to some extent crucial things are not standardized and make differences bigger. They also have a problem when it comes to ethnics and cultures. Theoretically the state doesnt make a difference but practically you've got an advantage being a white male. I cant go into details because thats about what I can recall from being there a few times.

Wanting to unite everybody is just not realistic. Not at this point of development. If you want a big union you have to give up diversity but most people just do not get or accept that fact. You cant have the laid-back lifestyle of Spain where you do not work during the hottest hours of the day (which is reasonable for those areas) and expect others to work for 1-2 hours more a day for the same benefits.
Regional and cultural differences weigh so heavy that its just not realistic.
What you could standardize and unite is the school system. But please orientate yourself on the highest standard not something in the middle. But then again, what is the highest standard? What good do 2 foreign languages do in a country that only has one that actually gets used?
While some countries actually respect the human being notions from Germany and England want to make everybody a potential criminal and the most scary part is that the population believes the crap they say to get the people to vote for them.

The topic is just as hot as it has been a couple of hundred years back. Only back then you conquered other kingdoms.
Why do so many threads pop up? Because you must understand how you are perceived before you can start to forge unity.

[Deleted]

For some reason I get the feeling you're american, a conspiracy nut or living in one of the eastern european countries.
Specially because I consider the American Government to have far many more skeletons in their closet than the EU.

You shouldn't take one line of a post without Reading all of my posts in the thread. But for the record, I'm English and think that 99% of conspiracy theories are nothing more than somethig to read when I want a laugh. Maybe you should get your crystal ball checked, clearly it's not working.

I never stated that the american government has nothing to hide, however i've also never been to america, where as I've lived in Europe all my life, which do you think I'm going to win a debate on?

To stay on topic though, the idea itself is a good one, but it's simply not workable in the present day, and probably not for some time in the future.

[Sunseeker]

But dont worry, the US is going there aswell. Ever heard of the merge between Canada, USA and Mexico? Thats just another "European Superstate"...the north american union.

The North American Union is a myth propagated by conspiracy nuts who are afraid of the government taking their dogs and cats and pet UFOs. Canada and the USA would be a fairly functional merger, but absorbing Mexico would be like willingly drinking toxic waste.