This expansion, all my random heroics have been with guild groups, because of the the horror that is a PuG. I like this change, because now I may be able to get my daily valor on days when my guildmates are offline.
2 months of their dungeon buff not working and they didn't even know it. Amazing.
Furthermore, you seem to misunderstand. I do not care about the nerfs to heroics. I welcome them. I am merely noting that heroic achievements and gear is fast becoming meaningless. When the content is do-able by almost anyone then it is no longer special or unique in any way when you do it. But this was all inevitable anyway. As the population becomes more geared, and as Blizzard steadily nerfs heroics to the ground, it is no longer impressive when heroics are completed. I really don't care if every wow player in the world can pug a Heroic and aoe their way to glory in 20 minutes anymore. So enjoy your sense of accomplishment. I sincerely hope they nerf heroics to be doable in 10 mins or less so I can spend less time getting my VP.
i in all honesty dont get why everyone and their mother is whining about this.. if you are oh so mad about this then dont pug that way you wont get the buff problem solved.. aside from that even with the increase idiots who cant wrap their head around not standing in fire that deals 20k dmg a second will still die period.
Except that each of the four retards would be doing something totally different and equally stupid. One would be humping the bomb, the second waving their hands and ranting how the "bads" are ruining 'their' group, the third would be off with the fourth running around in circles laughing like Spongebob and Patrick completely oblivious to the inevitable destruction.
Atleast that's how my PuGs have been lately.
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I'm tired of seeing "Oh they will get carried" no shit, it's always been that way.
BADS are there to add challenge to the game, when it is getting too easy add some BADS to your group.
For every BAD that you add it is like having -15% overall group performance, if them pros really think their hot s*** let's see them play handicapped by BADS and still do well.
yes i spell bad who gives a fuck, also no one speaks at all in the game unless on vent its fuckin typeing how many of u elitists are fucking retards?
sorry massive rage at all the people complaining about the buff its off my chest now.....fucking elitists
Last edited by Lplatehealer; 2011-02-06 at 11:41 AM.
Avatar and Sig by Serryn. Amazing TY
To be honest, I kinda had some respect for all the "pro" people before this change. I can totally get behind the fact that people might want challenge, and so on. I myself was kinda sick of WotLK Heroic faceroll.
But this massive outcry over something like this just proves that people that are "good" at this game are just annoying dumb fucks, and I'm glad Blizzard is taking steps to annoy the fuck out of them. It has nothing to do with you wanting challenge, it is all about your elitism and genuine desire to make life harder for other people. A community will be better without you.
[i]"In the process of working on this change we actually discovered that the Luck of the Draw buff has not been working in Cataclysm at all, save for a few specific dungeons. This means that the difficulty in almost all normal and Heroic dungeons for those using the Dungeon Finder tool was higher than expected."[/i}
Taken from the first blue post. This is one of the reasons I've taken a self-imposed hiatus away from WoW. It could just be a false perception, but it really seems like the developers just really dont give two sh**s about players anymore. Not paying attention to complaints and just "letting it ride", continued bugs in the game and not doing anything about it, just keep paying your fifteen bucks a month, etc.....Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
That being said, I'm really enjoying the RIFT Beta Test!!!
HOWEVER, the problem that Blizzard has is that this is a massive game. Making changes is like turning an aircraft carrier. They may well have found that the buff didn't work a week or two ago, but actually fixing it is hard. You don't just have some guy go live-patch the running servers without taking a huge risk that your paying customers won't be able to play.
Instead you make some changes, test them, run them through QA, maybe make more changes and repeat. THEN you release. If it takes a month, it takes a month.
The only measure of urgency that Blizzard has that really makes a difference is the player base. If there are 200,000 fewer players now than when Cata was released, that's something they're going to pay attention to. Otherwise, they're going to release in a careful and controlled way, BECAUSE they give a sh*t.
WoW: Founder <Saturnalia>, Norgannon
Rift: Mev <Ascended of Corthana>, Faeblight
Very well said. Hard to imagine where people get such irrational conclusions..
As for Rift.. I hope they understood the QQ storm they were getting into when they advertised against wow.. as most of the biggest complainers seem to be trying to funnel like-minded's that way.
"The Tol'vir people must be really shy considering they don't ever speak to us.." -Zneebor LOL
Why? Because of the coordination and communication that you get from a premade group, same as what Ghostcrawler said. When was the last time you saw a PUG all decide to use vent? Not very often I would guess.
There are advantages to running in a premade group that a PUG doesn't have. This buff helps to make up for that.
Some groups still won't be able to complete heroics even with this buff. It will still be more difficult to complete a heroic through a pug with this buff than it would be through a premade group.
So once again, I have run with pugs and with my guild, and running with the premade is just easier. No way around it. I have completed more heroics in premade groups than in a pug. But this "buff" helps to alleviate the frustration of pugs, but by no means makes it EZ mode.
I think it is a great idea.
Last edited by shadowboxer123; 2011-02-06 at 05:54 PM.
but.. but.. after this change people will stop standing around in town and maybe more than 10% of the players will do heroics, that can't be right. Only elitist players like me should be able to do heroics cuz we are the more important minority.
A very clever excuse for making heroics easier
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But only 15% ? That's only a couple of extra hits worth of health - around 20,000 health.
I collected full i346 heroics and pugged 95% of the runs. Were there ones that failed horribly, yes. There we also runs that went very well. If people use pugs as an excuse to be terrible or act like cretins, it's their fault not the content's. Dumbing down the content in response to terrible players is a fail idea from the start.
Another easy, lack of thought decision by blizzard. I've run heroics with guild members and pugs and they are equally annoying. Whats the difference between a 5 man of guildies and a 5 man of dungeon finder people? nothing. my guild is full of people who arnt that good. this change doesnt make any sense and only encourages not having guild groups