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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Azranas View Post

    I give it a 4/10

    I'm not a wow fanboy I give cata 7/10 and I've stopped playing between raids cos its so fucking boring right now.
    Hold on. You say all that about Rift and then at the very end become the definition of a hypocrite. Such hypocrisy.

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffOFth3HORDE View Post
    yeah i tried rift beta and i run 60 fps on my computer for wow and i get like 10 on lowest graphics with low quality renderer for rift. >.< Also because of them trying to make their graphics more realistic, low quality is absolutely horrendous. im probably gonna go play xbox because wow just doesnt interest me anymore. T.T
    What kind of PC are you running on? My laptop with a shitty Nvidia 310M graphics (lowest available 3rd party gfx) can run Rift on low settings at 30-60fps depending on whats going on. My 3yr old desktop PC with a mid-range graphics card from last year plays it on ultra at like 80-100fps...

  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Azranas View Post
    Rift is going to fail hard, once you get to max level with all the soul systems and shit all the little kid noobs will not have a clue what to do and you'll end up with all sorts of retarded specs and with the amount of abilities to game throws at you they'll be doing the complete wrong thing. Everyone will resort to cookie cutting specs/rotations so the soul system is basicly oh ur a rogue well u can be this or that really, not anything you want. The queseting is poor really - go kill x of these and pick up y of those. You'll go put a fire out on a catapult, quest complete and a mob just comes and puts back on fire and you're told thanks go to next place.. wtf? Spell and attack animations are really poor, profession systems are dull and don't offer anything new. PVP is absaloute gash, the amount of CC and slows and stuns it's just unplayable, you get first jump on someone it's GG skill doesn't even come into it. The rifts lose their appeal after the first 10 then it's just the same old shit, kill mobs, kill more mobs, kill boss mob get some crappy loot. The mobs don't scale very well for instance doing a level 17 one and it went down in about 4 spells, do a lvl 19 one and it went down in 3. Once people get over that it's new and fancy graphics (I'm not impressed by the graphics tbh sure it's better than wow but the engine is still poor and there's lots of framerate issues) they will realise it's absaloute garbage and they're not in azeroth anymore but they wish they were.

    I give it a 4/10

    I'm not a wow fanboy I give cata 7/10 and I've stopped playing between raids cos its so fucking boring right now.
    There are already cookie cutter builds. but not for every class. more like, if you want to be a marksman, heres a cookie cutter build, if you want to be an assassin, heres a cookie cutter build. But whats great, is that there is a cookie cutter build for pretty much ever specific sole tree. you know what that means? 32 different cookie cutter builds....32....32...you know how many there are in your precious WoW? about 12-15...Rift has over double the different avaliable builds that WoW does. Scott Hartman said that they expected cookie cutter builds to be made, but what they didnt want is for their to be only 1 or 2 build for a tank, 1 or 2 builds for a healer. You know what? they did it imo. There are so many different ways to tank and heal, its very interesting. will there be 1 way that people prefer over the others, probably, but that happens in all MMOs even wow, but in this game, thats 1 build or class that is prefered to tank or heal is going to change based on the person putting the group together or the guild doing the raid. not to mention, it opens up those group slots for a lot of other people. Some people dont like normal tanking (block with shield, parry with sword) but in Rift, you have a good 8 different ways to tank.

    The second thing I want to say is that you mention there is a lot of CC in the game. Thats true, i will give you that. but what you dont seem to realize is that there are just as many ways to get out of CC in the game. for each calling, there is a specific pvp tree, only meant to compliment your other build of course, but it contains everything you need to break out of those CCs. im sorry that you cant read tooltips or dont know how to play a game. but for those of us that do, its quite funny to watch a squishy rogue walk up to a warrior thinking their going to keep them locked down and just beat on them, and the warrior breaks out of it and man handles the rogue. L2P guy.

    The final point i want to touch on is the questing. i accutally meant to add this to my list of things rift has over wow. you say the quests are all the same. Well I call BS. You managed to go all the way to 85 in wow and you never once realized that their quest system is the one that sucks? In wow, you will get a quest that says go collect 8 muloc eyes, and you will have to kill 34 mulocs in order to get your 8 eyes. You never found it stupid that only a quarter of the murlocs acctually contained an eye? oh, what? you were thinking that you just kept shooting out their eyes during battle? idiot. Anyways, in Rift, if it says to collect something that the creature is bound to have, the drop rate is 100%. Go collect 10 satyr horns. You know how many you have to kill....10...thats it. Yes, the go kill x number of mobs and collect x number of items, it does get old, but i dont see how you can do the same exact thing in a broken quest system like wow and then jump over to a correct system and call it poor. I gatta agree with puremallace. You sir, are a hypocrite

    ---------- Post added 2011-02-08 at 11:14 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by stellvia View Post
    What kind of PC are you running on? My laptop with a shitty Nvidia 310M graphics (lowest available 3rd party gfx) can run Rift on low settings at 30-60fps depending on whats going on. My 3yr old desktop PC with a mid-range graphics card from last year plays it on ultra at like 80-100fps...
    i agree, my computer runs about 80 fps, with just an 80 dollar video card. My gfs laptop runs it at 50 fps and its a piece of crap laptop. if this guy is only getting 10 fps, hes either using an imac...or his pc is about 10 years old. expecially on low settings, if I dropped down to low settings, my desktop would go over 100fps for sure. This guys computer must just be total garbage

  4. #344
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suffocated View Post
    7. Your predictions for profit and development cost are based on your personal fabrication of facts. Trion has released no information regarding its 'corporate backing' nor the development costs.
    Actually one of their managers said few months ago, that they have already spent over $50 mil on Rift develoment. It can be little higher now, but thats few milions up or down.

    As I said, they will sell over 1 million copies now, another million in near future. Plus everyone is going to get at least 3 months of game time and at least half of people will get 6 months. Thats crazy money for $50 million game and for no-name company like Trion, that cant loose any reputation because it has none, its going be way too atractive to take money and play dead. I might be mistaken, but i wont be suprised if it would actually happen.

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Proper View Post
    Actually one of their managers said few months ago, that they have already spent over $50 mil on Rift develoment. It can be little higher now, but thats few milions up or down.

    As I said, they will sell over 1 million copies now, another million in near future. Plus everyone is going to get at least 3 months of game time and at least half of people will get 6 months. Thats crazy money for $50 million game and for no-name company like Trion, that cant loose any reputation because it has none, its going be way too atractive to take money and play dead. I might be mistaken, but i wont be suprised if it would actually happen.
    Yeah that would do their TV Tie in MMO a lot of good, would pretty much kill it before it was released... I really do wonder if people who write on these forums have any idea of commercial reality.

    http://www.trionworlds.com/en/games/syfy-action-mmo.php

    Go read, watch and learn, now tell me Trion can afford to abandon all its Rift players and have no vested interest in this becoming a massive success.

  6. #346
    Here is my 2c. I played wow for 6 years on and off, raided in all expansions. I tried rift, i like it. Some things they did are pretty amazing. As it stands right now:

    Rift >>>> wow Alts for me.

    Weather or not Rift rading >>> wow rading remains to be seen.

  7. #347
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Hold on. You say all that about Rift and then at the very end become the definition of a hypocrite. Such hypocrisy.
    How is he a hypocrit? Maybe you need to look up on the definition of hypocrit. Giving criticism to two games isn't being a hypocrit.

    ---------- Post added 2011-02-09 at 08:08 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Azranas View Post
    Rift is going to fail hard, once you get to max level with all the soul systems and shit all the little kid noobs will not have a clue what to do and you'll end up with all sorts of retarded specs and with the amount of abilities to game throws at you they'll be doing the complete wrong thing. Everyone will resort to cookie cutting specs/rotations so the soul system is basicly oh ur a rogue well u can be this or that really, not anything you want. The queseting is poor really - go kill x of these and pick up y of those. You'll go put a fire out on a catapult, quest complete and a mob just comes and puts back on fire and you're told thanks go to next place.. wtf? Spell and attack animations are really poor, profession systems are dull and don't offer anything new. PVP is absaloute gash, the amount of CC and slows and stuns it's just unplayable, you get first jump on someone it's GG skill doesn't even come into it. The rifts lose their appeal after the first 10 then it's just the same old shit, kill mobs, kill more mobs, kill boss mob get some crappy loot. The mobs don't scale very well for instance doing a level 17 one and it went down in about 4 spells, do a lvl 19 one and it went down in 3. Once people get over that it's new and fancy graphics (I'm not impressed by the graphics tbh sure it's better than wow but the engine is still poor and there's lots of framerate issues) they will realise it's absaloute garbage and they're not in azeroth anymore but they wish they were.

    I give it a 4/10

    I'm not a wow fanboy I give cata 7/10 and I've stopped playing between raids cos its so fucking boring right now.
    Nailed it.
    Rift tries to be WoW, but ends up falling flat because it can't be WoW nor is it in any way revolutionary. You get into the same boring grinds, with much worse repetition then you'll find in WoW. I'm sure it's all new and exciting because most have been playing WoW for several years, but when you get into the routine it's just terrible.
    And as you said, it doesn't even look good. The animations are stiff at best, the graphics are dull and ugly with no feeling or life. And good luck balancing 32 specs.
    Rift is just another wanna-be contender with it's usual amount of "it's so much better"-followers, just like WAR, AoC and Aoin.

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by Azranas View Post
    Rift is going to fail hard, once you get to max level with all the soul systems and shit all the little kid noobs will not have a clue what to do and you'll end up with all sorts of retarded specs
    If that is your reason Rift is gonna fail it would have killed wow many moons ago. Just go stand in SW and inspect some peoples builds, or when you join an LFG look at some builds, hunters still rolling need on leather when it screws their mail specialisation and palas still rolling on cloth.

    Nobody has said Rift will not have its retards, but that won't kill a game like it didn't kill WoW.

    That catapult on fire quest, sounds like the quest in TH to extinguish the Dwarf village where you can just stand in one spot and spam buckets of water putting out the same pice of house over and over (I guess you saw that on yogsacast video as well) except one is a low level quest teaching you how to play Rift and one is a level 84 qyest you cannot do until you are almost max level... Now which one is more retarded by your standards?

    Not gonna argue your scores, they are your opinion to which you are entitled but you sure have some twisted logic about what makes a game fail.

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Il Impiccato View Post
    tbh i see more RIFT IS GONNA DESTROY WOW posts then hating on rift posts. I'm sick of Rift already and I haven't even played it. Just all the fans of it talking about how amazing it is has me sick to my stomach thinking about it.
    @Il Impiccato - I too am sick of the Rift fanboy comments. I did play Rift, there were some things that I thought they did well (the UI customization without the need for an add-on was an awesome idea, though poorly implemented... in this stage of the beta at least). Ultimately I did not enjoy the overall game. This is my opinion, it holds no weight for anyone else and I in no way suggesting that someone doesn't try it for themselves.

    @"Everyone"
    This happens with almost every single hyped up MMO, and even some of the not so hyped.
    Remember when Age of Conan was going to destroy WOW? Funny to see every single person that I personally know who left WOW for AoC are now back playing WOW.

    Did every single person who left WOW for another game come back, certainly not but there is obvious trend of people returning.

    Is it a good thing that WOW is so entrenched, the answer to that can only be one based on opinions. There are pros/cons to it certainly, but for as bad as most people complain about the game they are in fact a very small percent of the overall player-base.

    My 2c, play the game(s) that you enjoy. If you dont enjoy it, dont play it.
    If you hate that <insert company X here, because this is NOT limited to Blizzard> "nerfed" your class into the ground, quit.
    If you hate that <insert company X here, because this is NOT limited to Blizzard> caters to casuals, quit.
    If you hate that <insert company X here, because this is NOT limited to Blizzard> caters to hardcore, quit.
    If you hate that <insert company X here, because this is NOT limited to Blizzard> doesn't not have free epics in your mailbox as soon as you log in, quit.

    The truth is, if there was a mass exodus over a particular issue, <company X> would either adapt or go under.

    The reality (when it comes to Blizzard and WOW) is that the rest of us who aren't whiners wont miss you.

  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by insaneperson View Post
    The truth is, if there was a mass exodus over a particular issue, <company X> would either adapt or go under.

    The reality (when it comes to Blizzard and WOW) is that the rest of us who aren't whiners wont miss you.
    A lot of what you say is true, but we need a game like Rift, GW2, DCUO or SWTOR to succeed and stop blizz from giving us the same old shit they have been since WOTLK, in fact worse in cata as we are back in Kalimdor/EK again.

  11. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by Dammagia View Post
    A lot of what you say is true, but we need a game like Rift, GW2, DCUO or SWTOR to succeed and stop blizz from giving us the same old shit they have been since WOTLK, in fact worse in cata as we are back in Kalimdor/EK again.
    Just because you are not content with Cataclysm, does not make it universally true that everyone does not. You are as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine, and I do not make this reply to change your mind, simply to offer another point of view.

    I enjoyed the 80 - 85 leveling experience, I made it a point to experience every zone to its fullest, though not necessarily all on any one character that I play. And it does not bother me that these zones are on continents that we previously have been. (I think Outland/Northrend spoiled us)
    I have leveled most of the professions and enjoy the benefit/income from them.
    I enjoyed the new dungeons, normal and heroic.
    I am enjoying raid content progression with my guild (currently 8/12 on 25man normal).
    I enjoy the Worgen race (I have yet to make a Goblin), and I really enjoyed the new 1 - 60 quest experience on said Worgen.
    I am looking forward to further content patches in this expansion.

    Was every quest a supremely awesome experience, definitely not. Was every PUG able to complete the dungeon (normal or heroic) definitely not. Does the Worgen /dance suck, absolutely YES /opinion.

    I am certainly not saying that I am not looking forward to something that can truly compete against WOW, I welcome the thought, and regularly participate in betas looking for that new game thrill. Another benefit of a true competitor is that competition breads innovation. I do not think Blizzard is "giving us the same old shit", and I believe there was some true innovation with regards to Cataclysm, but more innovation is rarely a bad thing.

    I hope the picture here is clear, I may not enjoy/agree with every aspect of the game, but I enjoy all that is Cataclysm because the positives significantly outweigh the negatives.

    If the same is not true for you, I hope you can some day find something that meets your expectations... but there is no perfect game (as near perfect as I considered Dragon Age, you can only play through it so many times before its no longer fun).

  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by insaneperson View Post
    Just because you are not content with Cataclysm, does not make it universally true that everyone does not. You are as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine, and I do not make this reply to change your mind, simply to offer another point of view.

    I enjoyed the 80 - 85 leveling experience, I made it a point to experience every zone to its fullest, though not necessarily all on any one character that I play. And it does not bother me that these zones are on continents that we previously have been. (I think Outland/Northrend spoiled us)
    I have leveled most of the professions and enjoy the benefit/income from them.
    I enjoyed the new dungeons, normal and heroic.
    I am enjoying raid content progression with my guild (currently 8/12 on 25man normal).
    I enjoy the Worgen race (I have yet to make a Goblin), and I really enjoyed the new 1 - 60 quest experience on said Worgen.
    I am looking forward to further content patches in this expansion.

    Was every quest a supremely awesome experience, definitely not. Was every PUG able to complete the dungeon (normal or heroic) definitely not. Does the Worgen /dance suck, absolutely YES /opinion.

    I am certainly not saying that I am not looking forward to something that can truly compete against WOW, I welcome the thought, and regularly participate in betas looking for that new game thrill. Another benefit of a true competitor is that competition breads innovation. I do not think Blizzard is "giving us the same old shit", and I believe there was some true innovation with regards to Cataclysm, but more innovation is rarely a bad thing.

    I hope the picture here is clear, I may not enjoy/agree with every aspect of the game, but I enjoy all that is Cataclysm because the positives significantly outweigh the negatives.

    If the same is not true for you, I hope you can some day find something that meets your expectations... but there is no perfect game (as near perfect as I considered Dragon Age, you can only play through it so many times before its no longer fun).
    TBH you have listed all I enjoyed about Cata, I was on the beta so have in total leveled 8 toons to 85 including a worgen, 3 of those on live including the server first rogue, I have leveled all my professions including those on my level 80's as high as I can in cata without going to TH and am 12/12 normal modes in the raids. I have leveled cooking and fishing (on this newish toon that is my main) and ground flasks and fish so my guild has feasts and cauldrons. I don't trade on the AH as I hate it. But lets be honest at 85 it is the same old shit with a slight change of scenery, dumbed down talent trees, don't stand in the fire (or other random bad material) Bosses, one spec beats all mentality, gear > skill pugs etc etc.

    My expectations are not actually that high, TBC met them, downing Vashj, Illidan and Archimonde and their other bosses are some of the best times I have had in WoW, only thing that came close in WOTLK was S3D 10m and LK heroic, 2 truely epic fights.

    If you wanna see my experience in WoW all my toons are accessible from my sig, it is extensive (albeit pre wotlk stuff is mostly missing due to achieves not being right when wrath launched).

    Cata was not all bad, if it was I would have been insane to play after leveling 5 toons on the beta, but there is no lasting love for me at max level, that variety has not been enough to keep me logging in at anything other than raid times + dailies.

    Rift may just tide me over until something new or it may turn out to be the best MMO ever (unlikely but who knows) I have tried many others and a lot of betas that havent launched yet, and Rift is the first to actually pull me in and show me something new and exciting. I am looking forward to SWTOR and more so to Firefall, as my first love has always been FPS games, and who knows Blizz might even blow me away with Titan, because lets face it, all their A-team is now working on Titan, it aint on WoW anymore.

  13. #353
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    i really enjoyed the rift beta and am going to play it instead of wow. i got really bored of wow during wrath and then when cata come out it was just more of the same. it was great for the first few months but now it's just boring again.

    rift does use some of the content of wow but whenever something new and innovative is introduced into a game it quickly becomes standard to have it in everygame of that genra. Bliz has stollen there fair share of ideas in the past. it took a lot from WaR when that came out and SC2 has borrowd a lot from games like Supreme Commander, but it doesn't matter because these are great ideas and they make good games better.

    gamers gonna game and haters gonna hate. i'm going to play rift because it's fresh and i enjoy it

  14. #354
    @Dammagia - You sound much like me in many ways, I am only at 3 85's, and only 2 characters out of 10 (1 of every class) under lvl 80.

    My only point of contention with what you are saying, what end game in any MMO isn't that way? Yes there are some times with truly epic encounters that can change the way end game feels, but eventually everything is on farm, for most.
    This is what lead me to have 1 of every class, at least keep that aspect of the game fresh for myself.

  15. #355
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wizards Hat View Post
    How is he a hypocrit? Maybe you need to look up on the definition of hypocrit. Giving criticism to two games isn't being a hypocrit.

    ---------- Post added 2011-02-09 at 08:08 PM ----------



    Nailed it.
    Rift tries to be WoW, but ends up falling flat because it can't be WoW nor is it in any way revolutionary. You get into the same boring grinds, with much worse repetition then you'll find in WoW. I'm sure it's all new and exciting because most have been playing WoW for several years, but when you get into the routine it's just terrible.
    And as you said, it doesn't even look good. The animations are stiff at best, the graphics are dull and ugly with no feeling or life. And good luck balancing 32 specs.
    Rift is just another wanna-be contender with it's usual amount of "it's so much better"-followers, just like WAR, AoC and Aoin.
    This is exactly the same the EQ players said when wow was in beta

  16. #356
    Rift is just a sad copy of WoW, yes it is. Stop freaking denying it.

    We will stop obsessing over rift after a while, I saw videos and whatnot, it looks like WoW, plays like WoW, so what is it?

  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by Nynn View Post
    Rift is just a sad copy of WoW, yes it is. Stop freaking denying it.

    We will stop obsessing over rift after a while, I saw videos and whatnot, it looks like WoW, plays like WoW, so what is it?
    They see me trollin', they hatin'
    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille
    seriously, most of you won't play that game anymore in 1 months.

    Boub has a time machine?!

  18. #358
    Rift has the most awesome character customization. Yet I see people making humans that... all look the same.

    I like how rift looks and I LOVE the soul system.

    But the game so far is so horribly stiff, serious and cliché that it hurts. I don't hate the game. I just think it's like all the other mmo's, just a little more work put into it. Won't pay for it ever unless the lore gets better. Or if they might just let one inch of comic relief into it that can make us laugh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Urti View Post
    Seriously this. I'm a high-speed, low-drag, supah-healah. Doling out the feel-goods LIKE A BAWS, keeping everyone shiny, happy and cool. Staying on top of my game, even in a combat situati....THERE'S THAT DAMN GROUNDHOG AGAIN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathfairy View Post
    Here is my 2c. I played wow for 6 years on and off, raided in all expansions. I tried rift, i like it. Some things they did are pretty amazing. As it stands right now:

    Rift >>>> wow Alts for me.

    Weather or not Rift rading >>> wow rading remains to be seen.
    This is exactly how I feel.

    I don't think Rift will kill WoW. The only thing that's going to kill WoW is what killed Ultima Online and Everquest: Arrogant developers obstinately cramming stale, bad ideas down players throats. Eventually every successful MMO stagnates, and developers are too stubborn and high on themselves to admit it until 3 years after it goes stagnant. Then players slowly begin to say "you know what, this is stupid, we've been doing the same thing for years." Then they move on slowly. The timing of Rift is particularly fortuitous because it comes right as that's beginning to happen with WoW. A vocal minority, myself included, is already saying "okay, screw it, let's see what else is out there". But that doesn't make it *the* WoW killer.

    On the other hand, I like Rift more because I have more to do in that game. In WoW, my main is done with heroics, my guild raids 9 hours a week, I can't PVP competitively because I'm a DPS Shaman whose spec gets treated like dirt by developers (unless I glue myself to an Unholy DK or Frost Mage, which of course they adore, and which I can't find any of who aren't on a 3s team). The game just isn't fun for me anymore. So I'm looking at Rift not as a WoW killer, but because I won't run into the same problems.

    Look at class balance as an example. I can't possible have the "revolving fotm/except shamans, screw those guys" problems that I had in this game, because you can change your class in seconds. Problem solved, just like that.

    So, Rift now offers me more to do AND a near guarantee that I won't run into the worst of the problems that I saw in WoW. Why shouldn't I switch?
    Last edited by Vulcanasm; 2011-02-10 at 12:37 AM.
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    Here's a good read for all you WoW clone, copy/paste screamers.

    http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/pos...ince-2001.html

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