Ferocious Bite glyph

[Elavien]

Keep reading that it is now a dps loss to FB when the boss is still above 25% health since you would get more damage from using Shred over the wasted energy that was eaten by Ferocious Bite. Does this bring the FB glyph out as viable?

[Jon]

With the recent buff to Shred you never want to FB while the boss is still above 25% health, glyph or no.

[utopianh]

With the recent buff to Shred you never want to FB while the boss is still above 25% health, glyph or no.

The point is it'll be a dps gain during sub 25%

[Epoch]

The point is it'll be a dps gain during sub 25%

Not really. The energy spent on fb will still be better used on Shreds. Even moreso now that shred got buffed from 350% to 450% as a result to the rake and rip change. The only reason to fb would be to refresh rip, even then can still be a pain.

[Elunedra]

are you guys sure ?

as DPE wise..
lets say we got 2.4K weapon damage (14K AP) and 45% crit

a Shred =
450% weapon damage + 1485
4.5 * 2400 = 10800
damage modifiers (+30% mangle) (+20% R&T)
10800 + 1485 = 12285
12285 + 1.30 * 1.20 = 19164 damage no crit (oO sick)
whit crit (2.2 crit modifier)
((19164 * 0.45) * 2.2 + (19164 * 0.65) =
18972 + 12456 = 31428 damage whit crit
31428 / 40 = 785 DPE

a FB =
2822 + (0.545 * AP)
2822 + (0.545 * 14000) = 10452 damage no crit
whit crit (2.2 crit modifier)FB gets +25% crit% becase R&T
((10452 * 0.70) * 2.2 + (10452 * 0.3) =
16096 + 3135 = 19231 damage whit crit
19231 / 35 = 549 DPE

so yes if my calculation are correct then OMG i wont be using FB anymore \o/
funny enough i already predicted something like this blizzard should have spread the damage buff around mangle , shred , ravage and FB

but if FB is less DPE then Shred then glyph of FB does become more atractive as you will save the enegery for shreds

that makes me wonder, .. what is the DPE of a normal ravage done out of stealth...

a Ravage =
850% weapon damage + 2805
8.5 * 2400 = 20400
20400 + 2805 = 23205 damage no crit
whit crit (2.2 crit modifier)
((23205 * 0.45) * 2.2 + (23205 * 0.65) =
22972 + 15083 = 38055 damage whit crit
38055 / 40 = 951 DPE
i am not a theo crafter atleast not a good one and these calculation are known to have faults and mistakes, just like my spelling. like have you ever seen ravage crit for 50K? no that is prove that my calculation is wrong

[Melonberry]

You shouldn't use the glyph of FB, but as of 4.0.6 you don't use FB until below 25%. And below 25% it's a dps loss to use the glyph.

It's not that fb has a lower dpe, it's that it uses up cp you need to keep the other 2 up 100%.

[Sylvaneart]

FB glyph is like having claw on your bar. If you do. You bad. LOL but really it isn't good. If you are really bad at your rotation then it can be a gain. But when we theorycraft we do it assuming optimal rotation and time on target. So in short don't use the glyph and don't FB until target is less then 25%. Even with a good string of crits you shouldn't be at full time on rip rake with 5 points saved and full energy. If somehow youare then shred until you need to refresh something.

[Melonberry]

FB glyph is like having claw on your bar. If you do. You bad. LOL but really it isn't good. If you are really bad at your rotation then it can be a gain. But when we theorycraft we do it assuming optimal rotation and time on target. So in short don't use the glyph and don't FB until target is less then 25%. Even with a good string of crits you shouldn't be at full time on rip rake with 5 points saved and full energy. If somehow youare then shred until you need to refresh something.

That's not completely right. The glyph technically a dps gain if you FB above 25% (You need the energy), it's just more of a gain to not use FB until 25% and forget the glyph (Where you don't need the energy or cp).

[Elunedra]

FB below 25% is a dps gain why? becase it refreshed rip right ?

but it stil has less DPE thne a shred. so why not use the glpyth and use the 35 enengery you saved on an attack that does more DPE?

[Deleted]

FB below 25% is a dps gain why? becase it refreshed rip right ?

but it stil has less DPE thne a shred. so why not use the glpyth and use the 35 enengery you saved on an attack that does more DPE?

Well the 35 nrg you "save" from not using FB you need to spend to refresh the rip.

But as I understand it the "bonus" energy spent after the first 35 (which you spend to keep rip up while doing some extra dmg) is more DPE efficient then if you spent that energy on shred, whether it was 1 or 65 extra energy.

[Deleted]

]Well the 35 nrg you "save" from not using FB you need to spend to refresh the rip.

How? If you use FB, but dont loose 35 thanks to glyph, how you have to refresh Rip... again?

[Melonberry]

FB below 25% is a dps gain why? becase it refreshed rip right ?

but it stil has less DPE thne a shred. so why not use the glpyth and use the 35 enengery you saved on an attack that does more DPE?

It's not lower dpe than shred.