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  1. #1001
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilshadow View Post
    what race is better goblin or orc?
    Doesn't matter anymore. Orc/troll/goblin are pretty much equal in the current tier. Taurens are obviously inferior for PvE, as they have no throughput racials.

    Goblins used to be the "master race" back in tier 11, due to people generally having to sacrifice mastery to reach the 916 haste plateau. Thus the goblin racial was essentially a bonus to mastery (as it let you reforge more haste->mastery without going below 916). In the current tier, you get 916 haste even if you reforge for full mastery, and no other breakpoint is nearly as impressive, so the goblin racial is back to being just 1% more haste. Which is okay, but not really any better than the other racials.
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  2. #1002
    While the troll racial is obviously superior ;-)
    Popping Berserking to regenerate mana with LB faster is quite effective.
    Or you pair it with BL / SWG4p for some amazingly fast Healing Rains.

    But I might be biased.

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    You should remember that Blood Fury was fixed to affect spell healing as well quite some time ago. Might not beat trolls when it comes to CD power, but its still pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greez View Post
    You should remember that Blood Fury was fixed to affect spell healing as well quite some time ago. Might not beat trolls when it comes to CD power, but its still pretty good.
    They're different, quite simply. Blood Fury has a 2 minute cooldown and a 15 second duration, but a much weaker effect (that doesn't scale as well). Berserking has a 3 minute cooldown and a 10 second duration, but a very strong effect that scales well. A bit of spell power with high uptime or a ton of haste with a low uptime - take your pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilshadow View Post
    what race is better goblin or orc?
    I'd go with goblin, the 1% haste gets you far easier to the higher haste caps (BL+4pc) plus the rocketjump is really great.
    For example on the gunship you pretty much never have to move in p2 with rocketjump.

    While the orc is rather good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldriel View Post
    I'd go with goblin, the 1% haste gets you far easier to the higher haste caps (BL+4pc) plus the rocketjump is really great.
    For example on the gunship you pretty much never have to move in p2 with rocketjump.

    While the orc is rather good.

    yeap i went from troll to goblin, that jump is so OP and the haste isnt bad also.

  7. #1007
    Considering the fact that in full BiS gear you will have excess haste, and theoretically any haste above 916 rating is wasted as long as you're not healing in an environment where you're having to snipe heal, asides the jump goblin really isn't a great racial to go for. Orc and Troll both have their seperate CD racials respectively, which can be pretty useful for periods of burst healing. Also remember that racials are only min-maxing for healing, just play what you want and enjoy the game imo.

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  8. #1008
    hey guys. i've been playing my alt shaman a bit lately. only been pugging, as its on a different server to my main, so i dont have any connections there.

    edit: link http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...abray/advanced
    i have done hardly any quests in deepholm, so thats why i dont have shoulder enchant. i just use the pvp one when i save up enough honor :P

    anyway, i hadnt done any research or reading up until now. hence, i have 2500 haste and 3200 spirit. which, by the sounds of things is not ideal and over the top. i like having huge regen and fast heals, so i can just spam away. i only do normal and raid finder on her, so i guess it doesnt matter that much.

    noob questions now.

    is powertorrent the outright best? i mean, its a throughput boost, and small boost to regen through replenishment. but you have little control over it. meters show it has an uptime of about 25%. how often does it proc when you NEED it. most of the time it would be proccing when you're just light healing. why not heartsong?

    which leads me to my next question. i have the 397 blackhorn staff, 390 maw and 397 vagaries. my shield is still 378 bethtilac one . the maw is new as of today, and i was thinking of putting heartsong on it and trying it out this week. which set up would you guys use? mainly i've been using the staff, because of all that spirit (yummy spirit).

    also, chain heal onto someone with riptide, yay or nay? i try to avoid it, but i dont really know if thats right. in some cases i will deliberately do it, if i feel they dont need the hot in the near future, and chainheal will top them.

    also, does anyone use healing surge? i feel like its basically inferior to GHW in every respect. unless you dont have tidalwaves up (which is rare, since its up almost all the time), and someone is going to die before you can land a 2sec GHW, i dont see much use for surge.


    yeah, my trinkets are terrible. i'd love to get my hands on a spine trinket (then i would probably get rid of a lot of spirit), or that wildheart one (i forget the name)

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  9. #1009
    @asharia

    shoulder enchant
    you should finish deepholm. shouldn't take you to long as 85, just do all quests that lead to the world pillar parts

    weapon enchant
    you can use the proc to drop mana tide or fire elemental and you can use addons like raven to track the internal cooldown and see when it will proc for the next time.

    weapon
    maw is superior on stack up fights, so everything but ship + morchok hc. but you need to remember to position yourself right to get the most of it.

    chainheal on riptide
    only when it is about to run out. better way of boosting your chain heal is starting it on the earth shield target.

    healing surge
    almost useless. I never use it in pve.

    stats
    I'd suggest reforging spirit and haste into mastery. you don't really gain much from hast outside of breakpoints. only chain heal really benefits. and you should lower spirit as long as you feel comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teslaspule View Post
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    maw is superior on stack up fights, so everything but ship + morchok hc. but you need to remember to position yourself right to get the most of it.
    I'd just like to throw in that after having read that comment, I checked the logs for those encounters specifically. And on Morchok hc, 2 weeks ago, Maw did more than 8% of my healing, and it also accounted for 9% of my healing on Warmaster last week. Not too shabby, I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teslaspule View Post
    @asharia
    better way of boosting your chain heal is starting it on the earth shield target
    ES won't affect the following jumps, modifiers are applied after the initial heal happened where the following jumps are based off. But I must admit the way CH exactly works isn't that well documented by Blizzard.

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    Regarding Power Torrent: yes. Keep in mind that the regen formula uses INT as well, so the gap in mana regen is smaller than you think. In addition, Shamans are always casting, so even if there is light healing the Power Torrent is fueling your stronger Lightning Bolts.

  13. #1013
    I don't know why people keep saying Power Torrent is random.
    Yes it's not up all the time, but it's not random.
    You can easily track the 45 sec ICD, and somewhere after that, it should proc.

    And if it does in an intense healing-situation, awesome. Doesn't get wasted.
    If it procs in a low healing-situation: Awesome, more damage on Lightning Bolts.

    Quote Originally Posted by TenDance View Post
    ES won't affect the following jumps, modifiers are applied after the initial heal happened where the following jumps are based off. But I must admit the way CH exactly works isn't that well documented by Blizzard.
    Are you sure? So the first hit gets the 18%, and the following don't?
    I doubt it, but I can't test it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pope View Post
    I don't know why people keep saying Power Torrent is random.
    Yes it's not up all the time, but it's not random.
    You can easily track the 45 sec ICD, and somewhere after that, it should proc.

    And if it does in an intense healing-situation, awesome. Doesn't get wasted.
    If it procs in a low healing-situation: Awesome, more damage on Lightning Bolts.
    Power Torrent is random. Sure, you can track the ICD, but you can't make someone stand in fire to get healed. As Telluric Currents is still very much so an optional talent, you can't play that card, either. The only thing Power Torrent has going is that it buffs spirit by (an exaggerated) 0.00003mp5.

    Power Torrent is random. Power Torrent is mediocre. Unfortunately, Power Torrent is the go-to weapon enchant by process of elimination. Previously there was (though some may not have liked it) discussion on Heartsong vs Power Torrent. With the coming of 4.3 and Heart of the Unliving especially, spirit is being reforged off and ignored as much as humanly possible. Do not confuse "only option" with "good". It's just about as good as the +10/15/20 stats has been for the chest.
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  15. #1015
    If they didn't change it, the bonus applies the same way divinity, vampiric blood or field dressing. Otherwise CH-ing a tank wouldn't be just convenient, but one of the biggest boosts in HPS imaginable.

    And you could even argue that the vague statement "direct heals" which describes nature's blessing doesn't include CH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TenDance View Post
    If they didn't change it, the bonus applies the same way divinity, vampiric blood or field dressing. Otherwise CH-ing a tank wouldn't be just convenient, but one of the biggest boosts in HPS imaginable.

    And you could even argue that the vague statement "direct heals" which describes nature's blessing doesn't include CH...
    Now I'm interested. I would really love to test bit, but I commited myself to activate a new card only after the 17th.

    Anyway, as far as I know about Chain Heal, it behaves weird (or rather...logical).

    As you said, Spark of Life, divinity and similars (probably vampiric blood) and the Earth Shield-Talent are not passed through the chain.

    The Riptide-buff of 25% is passed through the chain if the first target had the riptide-buff, same goes to focused insight and Unleash Life.

    So dealt healing-buffs buff the whole chain, while received healing buffs don't.


    @Paf:
    I know PT is still mediocre, but it's not as bad as people say, that was my message. And honestly, I would never consider TC as optional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pope View Post
    @Paf:
    I know PT is still mediocre, but it's not as bad as people say, that was my message. And honestly, I would never consider TC as optional.
    Honestly, I and very many others would consider it to be very optional.
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  18. #1018
    ES only buff first direct heal of chain heal.

    and on MY opinion TC is SO mandatory nowdays, atleast to be competitive as shaman(TC vs non TC shaman).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paf View Post
    Honestly, I and very many others would consider it to be very optional.
    Mandatory? No, you're correct.
    Make Spirit and mana management a mere afterthought? Yeah. That one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paf View Post
    Honestly, I and very many others would consider it to be very optional.
    Telluric Currents is optional in the same sense that every talent in the tree is optional, including Spark of Life and Riptide. You can kill stuff without it, but it's the best place to spend those talent points. On an average fight, TC grants considerably more mana than Resurgence. I'd drop that before I dropped TC.
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