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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash773 View Post
    Brb... Faction changing to horde
    Ye, and join the 10+min BG queues when alliance has 1 min queues...

  2. #42
    I don't think these graphs even close to real situation.
    Personally I know lots and lots of people who did faction change 3+ times during last year. All of them very active PvP'ers.
    How's your "once per year" scan takes into account this?

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  3. #43
    My statistics professor would smite you right now for those awful charts. You should fix them so that the scales aren't quite so misleading. I know you tell people about it, but it was still a poor choice to present them in that manner in the first place.

    I'm also skeptical of the collection methods. There's a lot of variables that those numbers don't take into account probably. It would be nice if Blizzard would give us the actual data, but this is the best we can get I suppose.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Serissa View Post
    I don't think these graphs even close to real situation.
    Personally I know lots and lots of people who did faction change 3+ times during last year. All of them very active PvP'ers.
    How's your "once per year" scan takes into account this?

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    Oh the graphs sure arent 100% accurate. But the fact that they show wins and losses are "almost" the same on both sides i tend to believe these numbers could be close to reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by danawhitaker View Post
    My statistics professor would smite you right now for those awful charts. You should fix them so that the scales aren't quite so misleading. I know you tell people about it, but it was still a poor choice to present them in that manner in the first place.
    Exactly what i thought. Im thinking of emailing this to my professor to have him use it as an example when he teaches the people about bad presentation of statistics.
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  5. #45
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    Interesting stuff - please, please, please don't crop the y-axis next time, some people will not understand it despite your red text and see a Horde bar three times as high,

  6. #46
    as some of you maybe know, the ally to horde ratio on most servers is rather clost to 2:1 (blizz numbers). this could mean that the ally have more immature people which have never heard the word "tactic" before. also, due to the rather long BQ queues on horde side (my battle group, blackout, as horde i got 10-30 mins with queue time and as ally igot 10 mins uber max) when you first join a BG you will be a lot more motivated to win it and do your best since if you lose you cant get your daily BG rewards and you have to wait for a small eternity for another one.

    just my two cents.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    52% to 48% in Horde favor isn't really that bad, all things considered.

    Racials don't change battlegrounds. That's like arguing gem choice changes DPS by thousands.

    Battlegrounds are largely decided by fights between several players, largely clumped together.

    Which faction has the AoE stun?
    Which faction has the AoE silence?

  8. #48
    Well, I've lost all but two of the 150+ WSGs I've played.

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  9. #49
    Huh.... That is a lot closer than I expected it to be, and I'm sure the % deviation is pretty big since it isn't official numbers just armory scans. To me it seems like it really could be within expected statistical uncertainty rather than for the myriad of reasons that everyone is really quick to give when these threads come up. Pretty interesting stuff either way

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Charagon View Post
    Which faction has the AoE stun?
    Which faction has the AoE silence?
    ^^^^^^ This

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    Racials don't change battlegrounds. That's like arguing gem choice changes DPS by thousands.
    Sure they do - they can easily be the determining factor in certain key moments. ESPECIALLY when used by high caliber players.

    I have a WSG win percentage of 75% (!) as a Draenei (186 games played); and believe me when I say I could be even more effective with the AOE silence because it would permit far more kills against groups with heals. I certainly would not consider it a stretch to be able to add 5% with access to better racials, and that does line up fairly well with MMOs parsed averages.

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    Scaling on the graphs is a major fail while the difference is max 8% the bad scaling make it seem like 50%+.

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    Oh man, those graphs are so misleading

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    Those graphs are fake, I'm Alliance and my Statistics on Armory say

    Battlegrounds played 1,073
    Battlegrounds won 594

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greivence View Post
    This guy doesn't play PvP for the horde obviously....and i think gnome/night elf/human racials > all horde racials for pvp -_-
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiolith View Post
    Those graphs are fake, I'm Alliance and my Statistics on Armory say

    Battlegrounds played 1,073
    Battlegrounds won 594
    That's some nice anecdotal evidence you got there. Next you'll tell me global warming is fake because it was cold by your house today, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiolith View Post
    Those graphs are fake, I'm Alliance and my Statistics on Armory say

    Battlegrounds played 1,073
    Battlegrounds won 594
    How does that make them fake? o.O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charagon View Post
    Battlegrounds are largely decided by fights between several players, largely clumped together.

    Which faction has the AoE stun?
    Which faction has the AoE silence?
    Which faction have free PvP trinket?
    Which faction have free heal?
    Issue with that? Live with it

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  19. #59
    I have to agree with the criticism. The whole purpose of having bars or pie charts is so you can visually measure the differences. Now if you cut off the bars like that they lose their purpose entirely and end up being worse than not having them at all because they look very misleading.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by mludd View Post
    Chuck: There's also the possibility that:
    1) Battlegrounds in general are unbalanced due to the BGs themselves being designed in a way that favors the horde ever so slightly.
    2) Horde players have better racials for PvP
    3) There are more hardcore PvPers on the horde side which means they have longer bg queues and only those most dedicated bother playing BGs (so you end up with hardcore horde vs. hardcore + casual alliance BGs).

    Also, I can see why horde keeps losing AV, In my experience horde BG players are actually less organized than alliance (for pure PUG BGs, not talking guild groups) but tend to be a bit more hardcore (better geared, actually have their keybinds setup specifically for PvP and such). Now, in AV it's all about cooperation and zerging the boss, something which the alliance players do quite well while the horde players tend to fan out and go for the regular "duel in the middle" tactic...
    you cant be serious...

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