Welfare epics inc?

[DomBomb1]

5 Man heroics now giving epic level loot in 4.1?

Do you think this is a positive or negative step?

I'm kind of happy, because that means the price of maelstrom crystals will drop significantly and i can get my gear enchanted to the fullest, but at the same time, epics will go right back to not meaning anything.

I saw a character in full epics a few weeks back on my server and sat there in awe, come 4.1, every pug that can run ZG and ZA will have epics.

I personally am not sure how i feel about this, how about you guys?

(If this has already been posted please delete this, i checked the first 8 or so pages with nothing.)

Would you be crying if this loot had blue text instead of purple?

[_Fire_]

Lowering Prices on Maelstrom Crystals .....and your complaining!!!
Color doesn't matter DPS does.

[Whitcher]

People already can't clear current heroics -- what makes you think they'll be able to handle the 4.1 heroics?

Also, justice points will be used to purchase current valor point gear. That's where welfare epics will come on -- not the new heroics.

Furthermore, who cares? It's just a color. While everyone is bitching about welfare epics, I'll be wearing 391 gear.

This guy's on the right track.

[Exera]

It has literally been this way since patch 3.1 in wrath. I really don't get why people are suddenly surprised that the gear from the new heroics will be equivalent to this tier's raids.

Actually it's been like that since the SWP patch :P

[Abandon]

Yet another person who is too stupid to realise that in 4.1 you will be able to buy the current Valor Points items which are available for Justice Points, it seems. Which they announced before the end of Wrath.

[bloodwulf]

Tbh it really makes no difference, if people put in the effort to run HC dungeons then they will have the best gear possible from that, the fact that the new ones give epics just changes the colour of some of their gear.
Raid epics will still be higher iLvL thus better items.

This in a nutshell. higher itemlevel > than color of gear. The epics from these five mans will only be 353 itemlevel...which is still lower than even reputation epics. All i see is this makes recruiting for raiding guilds a little bit easier because people will be closer to our gear levels. And the maelstrom crystal drop is a good thing.

These 5mans also will fill a gap. They are superior to current 5mans in gear but below raids in quality, they also require better gear to be able to queue. This is a good thing...plus i want the new mounts to compliment my current tiger

[Okard]

requires a much higher ilvl to get in. I'm pretty sure they arent welfare epics.

[rzy]

what difference does it make ffs, if you're any good at the game heroic 5man purple pixels wont make a difference to you if you're raiding to get HC raid purple pixels.

To be honnest making raiding more accessible was the best thing they did, as i used to be ther person who made alts to help the guild out for a certain role < fast lever and quick learner.

To be honnest WoTLK until ToC was my perfect raid scene, progression but not too steep, then ToC ruined it all.

[Beress]

Personally, I'm not a fan. I would prefer to see these as 353 blue items. And its not from any elitist sense, my only epics are from rep vendors Let the purples stay in raids. The only positive spin for me is at least crystals will be cheaper.

[Shroud]

pretty much Toc is the god dam bane of every wow players exsistance.

[Fedexkilla]

Back to this crap again, as the world turns I guess...

[DETdream]

Instead of purple color you'll have higher numbers. Epics never meant anything in the first place

Not entirely true. Epic means enchants that require maelstrom crystals will go down in price and up in availability.

[Sunseeker]

Considering that you need to have an ilvl 346 to even get into these dungeons, no, they're not welfare epics. You worked hard to gear up and now you're working hard to gear up more.

Besides, this is basically the precursor to T12 which means T11 will be the "welfare epics". Wouldn't even surprise me if these bosses all dropped VP too.

[DETdream]

Personally, I'm not a fan. I would prefer to see these as 353 blue items. And its not from any elitist sense, my only epics are from rep vendors Let the purples stay in raids. The only positive spin for me is at least crystals will be cheaper.

I would like to see 353 blues from every boss except the last one in the instance. The stat weight would be the same, but the DE mats wouldn't give us too many crystals.

[Deleted]

To everyone going like "Oh, but they're weaker" "Lower iLvL imo", let me remind you this




Maelstrom





Crystals





Your server's cool enchants are going to drop in prices so badly it's not even going to be funny. I don't know about you peeps, but I don't fancy seeing random people with shit gear running around with the Landslide I paid thousands of gold for just a month back.
In my opinion, give those those item the near-raid stats, but keep them blue or make it so only the last boss drops an epic otherwise the market is going to get nuked.

[tubalcain]

5 Man heroics now giving epic level loot in 4.1?

Do you think this is a positive or negative step?

I'm kind of happy, because that means the price of maelstrom crystals will drop significantly and i can get my gear enchanted to the fullest, but at the same time, epics will go right back to not meaning anything.

I saw a character in full epics a few weeks back on my server and sat there in awe, come 4.1, every pug that can run ZG and ZA will have epics.

I personally am not sure how i feel about this, how about you guys?

(If this has already been posted please delete this, i checked the first 8 or so pages with nothing.)

It's no problem. If a person doesn't want casual players to have gear, I don't care what that person thinks... they are a tool. If a person thinks the best players won't always have better gear than the casuals, they are foolish, and I don't care what that person thinks.

[chrisnumbers]

I just wish that they would keep epics as the highest level of loot, like it's now. What they should do in 4.1 is to make all non-heroic epics (iLvL 359) blue, but keep the item level. The new loot from firelands and the heroic loot from BoT, BWD and TotFW will still be epic. Also they should ofc not make the loot from ZA and ZG epic, but blue iLvL 353.

That way it would still mean a bit to have epic gear.

The color of an item's name shouldn't matter. The stats matter. If you go back and get a Hand of Ragnaros, you aren't going to take it to Blackwing Descent and dps with it, because it sucks. The weapon being orange doesn't make it good, the stats make it bad.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
-MLK

I have a dream that my fellow WoW players will one day be inspected and not be judged by the color of their gear but by the content of their character.

[Malthadius]

personally i have no issue with these instances dropping epics, really it makes no difference to people who are already in epics because guess what, 359/372 > 353. Also the fact that these instances have a higher ilvl requirement to even que for makes me assume theyll be harder, and i think its only fair to reward the extra effort over doing the current heroics. I do however think that making the current valor gear available for justice points is a bit unnecesary but ah well, hopefully itll mean more geared if not more competent partners when i do the daily heroic. also cheaper maelstrom crystals is always nice. Epics havent really been special since vanilla anyway.

[Sunseeker]

I have a dream that my fellow WoW players will one day be inspected and not be judged by the color of their gear but by the content of their character.

BUT THERES NO NUMBER FOR THAT???? Whatever will I do if I can't boil the entirety of a player down to a 3 digit number?

---------- Post added 2011-02-24 at 10:37 AM ----------

personally i have no issue with these instances dropping epics, really it makes no difference to people who are already in epics because guess what, 359/372 > 353. Also the fact that these instances have a higher ilvl requirement to even que for makes me assume theyll be harder, and i think its only fair to reward the extra effort over doing the current heroics. I do however think that making the current valor gear available for justice points is a bit unnecesary but ah well, hopefully itll mean more geared if not more competent partners when i do the daily heroic. also cheaper maelstrom crystals is always nice. Epics havent really been special since vanilla anyway.

Woah woah woah, step back a second, when did they say they were making VP gear available for JP? wut?

[Deleted]

The initial TBC Heroics dropped EPIX from final bosses...

are you honestly surprised that the second tier of HCs in cata will do the same?