Rating the raiding balance druid above you!

[Rdx]

Actually, MG gives you more MP/5 per point than Furor does, even with euphoria factored in. There was a long (like 5 page) discussion on it on EJ with some nice complicated math to show exactly why it is more beneficial to take MG > Furor.

Link the post from EJ because I am unable to locate any such post.

From the OP "If you need some mana help, Furor is better than Moonglow" Site: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t110353-..._6_a/#The_Spec

[wing5wong]

9/10
i would take 2 points out of dreamstate and put them into the furor tree. As in most HM situations i'm pumping my innervates to my healers and unless i died and get Bressed i never use my innervate on myself, plus the glyph will give me a small chunk of mana bonus. Having those 2 points in the furor tree gives you 10% more mana which will make your mana returns on euphoria larger which is our biggest mana return mechanic we have.

also fungal growth is kind of pointless in this current tier. The only thing i can think it might be useful for are Magmaw adds or possibly having your tank kite maloriak adds to reduce his dmg taken from them.

gear and enchants look pretty solid.

Pick up 50 int to bracers when you actually get bracers worth putting that on, upgrade cloak from valonia, and if it ever goes OS i would pick up book form halfus and dagger form magmaw for small upgrades to your better secondary stats.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...gingers/simple << mine

dreamstate talent choice makes sense, i shall move those points tomorrow. ( curious to why you haven't done the same on armory =P )

i notice you take 3 owlkin frenzy, and no solar beam. I'm going to make an assumption here and say you raid 25s? Im raiding 10s, and the small amount of utility brought by fungal growth and solar beam, IMO, outweigh the small damage gains from Owlkin frenzy. i may be wrong though!

rather than fungal growth, what would you spec? another point in furor and one in perseverance, 2 in perseverance, or owlkin frenzy? all seem only to give very slight damage boost/reduction.
perseverance would be the for Nefarian, but I've... how shall i say, downgraded in progression since our last guild split. Fungal growth helps, as you said on magmaw adds, and also a little on Cho'gal bloods.

Just waiting on cloak, bracers, offhand and mirror to drop...they will drop soon.... right?? never seen the bracers, seen cloak and mirror once (gave away mirror, pre mastery buff =[ )

[lithpiperpilot]

Link the post from EJ because I am unable to locate any such post.

From the OP "If you need some mana help, Furor is better than Moonglow" Site: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t110353-..._6_a/#The_Spec

http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t110354-...d_4_0_6_a/p28/

it's in the resto thread, but the math itself is solid.

That being said, even with only 1/2 epic gear, mana is not a problem, and you don't need any points in MG or Furor. And you won't innervate yourself either.

[Rdx]

http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t110354-...d_4_0_6_a/p28/

it's in the resto thread, but the math itself is solid.

That being said, even with only 1/2 epic gear, mana is not a problem, and you don't need any points in MG or Furor. And you won't innervate yourself either.

The math would be solid except......that math doesnt take the Euphoria talent into consideration which provides over 40% of our mana regen in a fight.....so yeah. Please post numbers with the Euphoria talent included.

[Eightballs]

To the last poster, everything looks solid except you're alliance . Do you feel like wrath glyph provides a bigger dps gain in 4p than starfire?

Here's mine, getting my 4p today or tomorrow.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tball/advanced

[lithpiperpilot]

The math would be solid except......that math doesnt take the Euphoria talent into consideration which provides over 40% of our mana regen in a fight.....so yeah. Please post numbers with the Euphoria talent included.

The math would be solid except......that math doesnt take the Euphoria talent into consideration which provides over 40% of our mana regen in a fight.....so yeah. Please post numbers with the Euphoria talent included.

I'll use myself as en example. Self buff + Flask i have 99115 mana. That means each point of Furor gives me 4,955.75 extra mana per point of furor. Each eclipse gives 16% of that as mana back, so 792.92 mana per eclipse. It takes me 28 seconds to get from solar eclipse 100% to Lunar eclipse 100%

(99115*1.05)-99115=4,955.75
4955.75*.16=792.92
(792.92/28s)*5=141.59 mp/5 from 1 point of Furor.

MP/5 from Replenishment without furor = 495.775
MP/5 from Replenishment with 1 point in Furor = 520.35
520.35-495.775 = 24.575 extra MP/5 from 1 point in Furor.

24.575+141.59= 166.165 extra MP/5 per point in Furor.

Over a 180 second fight, that is only 5,981.94 mana returned because of the point in Furor

[Rdx]

I'll use myself as en example. Self buff + Flask i have 99115 mana. That means each point of Furor gives me 4,955.75 extra mana per point of furor. Each eclipse gives 16% of that as mana back, so 792.92 mana per eclipse. It takes me 28 seconds to get from solar eclipse 100% to Lunar eclipse 100%

(99115*1.05)-99115=4,955.75
4955.75*.16=792.92
(792.92/28s)*5=141.59 mp/5 from 1 point of Furor.

MP/5 from Replenishment without furor = 495.775
MP/5 from Replenishment with 1 point in Furor = 520.35
520.35-495.775 = 24.575 extra MP/5 from 1 point in Furor.

24.575+141.59= 166.165 extra MP/5 per point in Furor.

Over a 180 second fight, that is only 5,981.94 mana returned because of the point in Furor

Rather than opening a new thread I thought I would link my math bellow.

I ran a simcraft with 0 regen talents and then pulled the number of eclipse + spells cast for this info. I assumed 0 adds I assumed a fight length of 500 seconds.

Self buffed you say you have 99115 mana. As all I am concerned with is myself I pulled my numbers.

Unbuffed with 0/3 in Furor I have 96385 mana. With raid buffs I go to 107335. If I get 3/3 Furor I have 110840 unbuffed and 123432 buffed.

Therefor the mana gained raid buffed with furor is 123432-107335== 16097 mana.

So first lets find the benefit of furor.

The benefit of furor is TOTAL_GAIN == INNERVATE_GAIN + REPLEN + EUPHORIA
For innervate lets assume we have 0/2 in dreamstate as any half decent spec will not have it.
500 second fight with a 180 sec CD on innervate indicates we can have a potential of upto 2 innervates.
Lets assume first we are giving our innervates to healers like good little boomkins. Lets also assume we dont have the glyph for what ever reason.
This means we get 0 benefit from it.
Thus gain: 0mp5
Now lets assume same scenario but we have glyphed it.
2 innervates at 10% max mana per innervate.
Gain with furor == 2 * 0.1 * 16097 == 3219.4man
3219.4/100 == 32.194mp5

Lastly lets assume we use our innervates on our self.
2 innervates at 20% max mana per innervate.
Gain with furor == 2 * 0.2 * 16097 == 6438.8man
6438.8/100 == 64.388mp5 (obvious as 20% is double of 10%)

REPLEN gain.
Lets assume 100% uptime.
Replenish is 1% max mana over 10 secs.
500 sec fight / 10 sec (for 1%) == 50% of mana
16097 *0.5 == 8048.5 mana
8048.5/100 = 80.485mp5

Lastly EUPHORIA gain.
Simcraft reports we gained 19 Eclipse states.
16% from each eclipse gained.
Therefor 16097*0.16*19==48934.88 mana
48934.88/100 == 489.3488mp5

Therefor gain from Furor.
If 0% from innervate
489.3488mp5+ 80.485mp5+0mp5
=569.8338mp5

If 10%(from glyph) from innervate
489.3488mp5+ 80.485mp5+32.194mp5
=602.0278mp5

If 20% gain from innervate
489.3488mp5+ 80.485mp5+64.388mp5
=634.2218mp5.

Now lets compare this to the gain we would get from 3 points in Moonglow (9% cost reduction)
Simcraft reports the following number of spells cast:
Insect swarm 27 Mana cost:1490 Total Cost: 40230
Moonfire 17 Mana cost:1677 Total Cost: 28509
Starfall 9 Mana cost:6522 Total Cost: 58698
Starfire 84 Mana cost:2049 Total Cost:172116
starsurge 39 Mana cost:2049 Total Cost: 79911
Sunfire 8 Mana cost:1677 Total Cost: 13416
Wrath 123 Mana cost: 1677 Total Cost:206271
Treants 2 Mana cost: 2236 Total Cost: 4472
Total mana consumed: 603623
Mana saved == 603623 * 0.09 == 54326.07
54326.07/100 == 543.2607mp5

Therefor we gain 543.2607mp5 from Moonglow and 569.8338mp5 from Furor even if we don't user innervate. This doesn't even take into account that Lunar Shower can proc.

[Strix]

To the last poster, everything looks solid except you're alliance . Do you feel like wrath glyph provides a bigger dps gain in 4p than starfire?

Here's mine, getting my 4p today or tomorrow.

Gear looks alright, except for the trinkets. Get your DMC: Volcano!!! I would also move points out of furor into something else, at this point, it's entirely useless. As for your question on glyphs, starfire is best only if it's a stand and turret fight, such as Chimaeron. Wrath is better for everything else.

Still can't post links, but shouldn't be too hard to fine me ;P

[Iselde]

@Strix

Everything for the most part looks great - though, I'm too lazy to look for you on WoL. I'd be using Lavawalker over Speed on boots. When you get a decent pair of bracers, I'm sure you'll put +50 int on 'em; your bracers is the equivalent to my depressingly awful branch of an offhand.

My armory is my signature. Note: I am hit capped; the armory doesn't like CoW loot.

[Deleted]

10/10 - the only thing i can say is that you are very unlucky with that offhand

My armory : Sizer - EU Auchindoun ( grr .. can't post links )
Power torrent and with a bit of luck on head/shoulders drop 4/5 tier pices coming next week .

[Deleted]

Sizer
9/10 just need to replace those bracers, kind of a pain with only the chimaeron ones available. potentially put power torrent on your weapon

Armory: Irrational - EU Hellscream

[Deleted]

You are squeezing out as much benefit as possible from your gear with correct enchants, gems and reforges and you are using the proper glyphs (one odd haste/int gem instead of pure int on your relic and 50 haste on boots instead of run speed are questionable) but your talent spec is a bit weird... Judging by your points in Dreamstate/Moonglow/Furor you are having some mana problems, but with your gear I don't think that you need to invest so many points into mana regeneration. Also you should max out Furor instead of Moonglow.
9/10

[Blur]

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Imba gear. Proper spec, glyphs, enchantss, gems. Everything's right i think.
10/10
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enpowah/simple

[BoomChickn]

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Imba gear. Proper spec, glyphs, enchantss, gems. Everything's right i think.
10/10
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enpowah/simple

8/10, couple gems that could be pure int, as int is higher than hit if i remember right, and some itemization isnt the best, moar haste!

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ailia/advanced

Got some poor man's chants so definitely not the best im supposed to have.

[Alski]

Ugh whats with you people today.

There is already an existing rate the druid above you we don't need 1 for each spec. Here goes the other thread