Ever acceptable to use prot items as ret?

[Rlyskilled]

Hmm, so if thats the case would it be safe to assume HM Chim > Treads > Gryphon > normal Chim? or am I completely wrong?

Quick napkin math comparing the values of the Gryphon Rider's Boots vs 359 Massacre Treads using Redcape's stat values. I got rid of Parry alltogether since it has no value and replaced it with the 55 crit you'd get from reforging. I also included a reforged value of Massacre treads with exp->crit. As you can see the 359 Massacre Treads>Gryphon Rider's in any circumstance.

Strength 232
Hit rating 175
Exp rating 134
Crit rating 94
Haste rating 80
Mastery rating 99


massacre treads
233str    54056
149exp    19966
169mast   16731
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total     90753

massacre treads (reforged exp->crit)
233str    54056
90 exp    12060
59 crit    5546
169mast   16731
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total     88393

gryphon rider's boots   
253str    58696
55 crit    5170
159mast   15741
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total     79607

For kicks here are values of the VP and trash boots.

woe breeder's boots
233str       54056
169crit      16224
149haste     11920
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total        82200


woe breeder's boots (reforged haste->mast)
233str       54056
169crit      16224
90haste       7200
59mast        5959
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total        83439


treads of savage beatings
233str       54056
169crit      15886
149mast      14751
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total        84693

372Massacre Treads > 359Massacre Treads > Treads of Savage Beatings > Woe Breeder's Boots > Gryphon Rider's Boots

Now, you can imagine every point of that expertise is wasted on the 359 Massacre Treads even after reforging exp->crit then the value drops to 76333 (subtracting exp value altogether from total) and the Treads of Savage Beatings become better for you.

[Prentice]

The outcome doesn't change but I wanted to point out that the stat weights used by Rly are just a little out of date. The newest stat weights are as follows:

Weapon Speed 188250
Weapon DPS 862

Strength 227
Hit rating 174
Exp rating 134
Crit rating 96
Haste rating 80
Mastery rating 101

You can find these on page 30 of the Ret Concordance thread on EJ.

[Rlyskilled]

Nitpicker. Now I'm going to redo them because I'm bloody OCD.

edit: I just redid the Woe Breeder's Boots as haste was the only value that jumped more than 2 points.

[Prentice]

Yeah. The changes weren't big ones. It was only significant to point out because the value of strength fell from 232 to 227. This would make the tank boots slightly less competitive because that is their only dominant stat.

[Floross]

Still rocking tank rep boots. Chimaeron drops plate dps boots like Archeology procs Zin'rokh.

[rulk]

Hmm good to know. Looks like I'll be putting 359 Massacre back on my loot list

[Eurytos]

has no one told this dude that reforging the hit on that trinket to haste is bad? with all the stat weight discussion it would seem to be obvious, but no one has explicitly corrected that.

OP, Might of the Ocean gots no mastery, reforge that hit to mastery if your reforging it.

Profits.

[Slickx]

The tanking bracers off halfus with mastery is pretty good too

[Reith]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the Dragon Bone Warhelm (http://www.wowhead.com/item=59344) is an excellent helmet substitute until T11 or Cho'gall. Better than any blue helm. Of course it'd be better for tanks, but if no tank needs it, go for it.