Ret PvE trinket?

[Tentei]

Ok I know that this topic was covered earlier. Unheeded warning after the change is it now beneficial to use it now that it adds Weapon dmg? here is the link http://www.wowhead.com/item=59520/unheeded-warning

[agonyzt]

Pally with agility? Strength is just too good for you, don't gimp yourself. Any heroic trinket with strength is better than this.

[Tentei]

Im not using any strength trinket atm. Im using Might of the ocean and hearth of solace.

[Deleted]

Im not using any strength trinket atm. Im using Might of the ocean and hearth of solace.

Since when did Hearth of Solace lost it's str? O_o

[Badpaladin]

The agility is pretty bad for us, but the weapon damage is worth about four times as much as any strength proc, meaning a trinket would need about(ROUGH ESTIMATION) 480-500 STR to be about equal to this proc. I don't think that matches up to our BiS, but the proc alone should be worth around 1000 DPS if my rudimentary calculations are right. I wouldn't take it over rogues/shaman/ferals though.

[Rizendragon]

Im not using any strength trinket atm. Im using Might of the ocean and hearth of solace.

Actually you are. Just because you don't have raw + str on them doesn't mean they're not Str trinkets...

Pally with agility? Strength is just too good for you, don't gimp yourself. Any heroic trinket with strength is better than this.

This pretty much, and that goes for all the plate classes...

[t3hj0j0]

As much as I hate that using an agi trinket, I'm going to try and nab this when I can. That weapon proc is just too damn sexy to pass up for quite awhile.

[Tentei]

I only asked b/c we have 2 sitting in our Gb lol
And yes i am aware that I have +str use/proc effect trinkets i just assumed you meant raw str

[Badpaladin]

After running it through my calculator again...

321*.98*x + 680*.18*8.62 = DPS value

You'd need to have a value of less than about .65 for agility, otherwise this trinket is our 2nd BiS(if I'm completely fucking wrong, please tell me). lolz.

[Slickx]

this trinket needs to be +str instead of agil


tiny abom v2 anyone?

[Tentei]

this trinket needs to be +str instead of agil

Yeah it would be so op if that were to happen

[Deleted]

Simulating in SimulationCraft gives me a dps loss of about 1,3k if I replace DMC:H with Unheeded Warning. According to SC, it has an uptime of roughly 16%.

But I'm not quite sure if SC calculates it correctly.

[Snorri]

While we are talking trinkets, is the darkmoon faire trinket better than heroic raid trinkets? At the moment I have the strength alchemy trinket and license to slay. I am going to get getting the sword from Nefarian and have thought about the heroic trinket from Chimaeron.

[Deleted]

While we are talking trinkets, is the darkmoon faire trinket better than heroic raid trinkets? At the moment I have the strength alchemy trinket and license to slay. I am going to get getting the sword from Nefarian and have thought about the heroic trinket from Chimaeron.

Heroic trinket on Chimaeron is BiS, and if you can line it up with Fury of Angerforge and AW+Zealotry it's epic win (aka 70k+ TV).

[Kenjji]

While we are talking trinkets, is the darkmoon faire trinket better than heroic raid trinkets? At the moment I have the strength alchemy trinket and license to slay. I am going to get getting the sword from Nefarian and have thought about the heroic trinket from Chimaeron.

theres a bis trinket topic somewhere along the stickys

[Suliso]

theres a bis trinket topic somewhere along the stickys

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...timation-4.0.6

there ya go

[Badpaladin]

Simulating in SimulationCraft gives me a dps loss of about 1,3k if I replace DMC:H with Unheeded Warning. According to SC, it has an uptime of roughly 16%.

But I'm not quite sure if SC calculates it correctly.

There's no way that's correct because DMC:H isn't even worth 1.3k DPS, so you'd have to lose DPS by equipping this trinket. SC gave it a 16% uptime when req ran it through there last night(helter skelter fight), so if I were to use that value then you'd need agility's stat value to be about equal to mastery for it to be better than CW:H.

[Requital]

After running it through my calculator again...

321*.98*x + 680*.18*8.62 = DPS value

You'd need to have a value of less than about .65 for agility, otherwise this trinket is our 2nd BiS(if I'm completely fucking wrong, please tell me). lolz.

After our calculations and the average uptime I'm seeing which is about 16-17% Agi would need to be valued at roughly 1 even.

(1261 - 680*.16*8.62)/(321*.98) = 1.0272236

I went ahead and ran a sim in my current gear and it comes up with Agi being worth about .82 so if this trinket could hold a 18% uptime it would be clearly 2nd BiS ahead of Crushing Weight but behind Heart of Rage.



In full BiS gear using this profile http://www.chardev.org/?profile=67924 then I compared those stat weights for full bis.



You can see a full BiS setup vs my raiding gear. In full BiS Agi is very close to the needed amount to make that trinket 2nd BiS that tells me if you can't get a crushing weight. This is a good replacement option but unless it can maintain 18% uptime it's still only 3rd best in the list. Just for those curious how it sims up compared to the others here it is and it only maintained 16% uptime.



As you can see very very close to the requirement to make it 2nd BiS, If it had 18% uptime instead of 16% it would be 2nd BiS - (1261 - 680*.18*8.62)/(321*.98) = 0.654561638

Here are those 3 full sims for any interested in the DPS and DPE.

Current Gear

BiS 4PC T11 - Pauldrons of the Great Ettin - HoR / CW

BiS 4PC T11 - Pauldrons of the Great Ettin - HoR / UW


---------- Post added 2011-03-07 at 02:24 PM ----------

There's no way that's correct because DMC:H isn't even worth 1.3k DPS, so you'd have to lose DPS by equipping this trinket. SC gave it a 16% uptime when req ran it through there last night(helter skelter fight), so if I were to use that value then you'd need agility's stat value to be about equal to mastery for it to be better than CW:H.

Simcraft simulates DMC:H as 100% Proc on HoW @ 1.2K so that is where it use to be but it's not worth that now.

[Rlyskilled]

Do not know if want

[Deleted]

Did you do some live testing with it or just calculations?

After some research on the forum and other sites, it seems like the weapon damage just affects physical damage attacks, but none that include spell damage such as holy.

It's mentioned for example in this thread in the shaman forum: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...heeded+warning