Which wep for ret?

[Martyn 470]

So guys, rolling with http://www.wowhead.com/item=65165/foe-reaper atm
i have enough conquest to buy http://www.wowhead.com/item=61346

thing is though, i lose tons of expertise and tons of hit

i bought the sword ( can return it) and enchanted hurricane onto it to test a bit.

i know the Dps of a paladins wep contributes a lot to dps ( TV doing % of wep damage) i also gain tons of str

with my new wep though, i was thinking, if i lose all that expertise and hit, im not going to be hitting as often as before, so that dps i gain may be lost.

i reforged everything i can with crit into hit and expertise, and atm, with the glyph, im 0.50% expertise off being dodged by a raid boss, and 2.25% off the raid hit cap

so my question is, should i just sell my weapon and cut my losses, or should i keep the weapon and just soft expertise cap / hit cap as best as i can via reforging?

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...brofist/simple


also if its any use, my CS is 4.43s cd without buffs and without hurricanes proc.



edit : dunno if it makes any diffrence but i just tested my dps over 6 mins, i was on 12k sustained, Hand of light mastery was my top ability,
Templars verdict was second, my average hit with TV was 14.3k, average crit was 30.2
had inquisition up all the time
crusader strike was third with average CS hits of 7k, average crits of 13k
fourth was melee with average melees 4.3k, average glancing 3.3k, average crit 8.8k

[Miedo]

Getting hit capped is supposed to be the biggest dps increase for all melee, so I'd say reforge some gear until you get some hit instead of to mastery?

Maybe get the notched jawbone? http://www.wowhead.com/item=62243
And the heroic alpha bracers (from H HoO) http://www.wowhead.com/item=57870.

Also, assuming pre-raid, mr robot says http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/e...h2,11,0F1Q,KCO is the best way to go.

(hit best in slot)

[Deleted]

From a PvE perspective, but don't take my words for it, the epic weapon should be a dps increase over the blue one, given that you hit/exp cap and all that. Once you have access to PvE epic weapons, they're all better than the PvP one.

[Kenjji]

you're reforging hit and expertise to mastery on shoulders and second trinket, buy the insciption relic and you can reforge the mastery of your first trinket to exp/hit, shouldnt really be a problem capping both if you toy around with this

[monkeyelf]

Strength 232
Hit rating 175
Exp rating 134
Crit rating 94
Haste rating 67
Mastery rating 99

PvP Sword=341str(272)+228crit(94)=114184
Foe Reaper=302str(272)+202hit(175)+202exp(134)=144526

Result: Foe Reaper is superior by a large margin.

OT: Your enchant is wrong on the weapon. You should be using avalanche not hurricane. I realize the front page of EJ says hurricane>avalanche, but Exemplar tested it out with the results below:

Hurricane vs. Avalanche
I received some definitive data on what can proc Hurricane (thank you, kilroggphara). Modeling it as a PPM mechanic where the melee and spell versions can proc separately (and simultaneously) I get the equivalent of a bit more than 55% effective uptime on a single buff (slightly above Redcape's current model of 50%). This is higher than the 44% actually provided by the single 9 minute run kilroggphara provided.

So, quite probably overvaluing it to about a 55% up time we wind up with an average of about 250 haste for Hurricane.

Avalanche is around 260 DPS in my spreadsheet, but only about 230 DPS to Redcape. I'll use his lower value.

So with Hurricane at 250 Haste (or less) and Avalanche at 230 DPS (or more) you would need each point of haste to be worth .92 DPS for them to break even. Also using Redcape to give haste the most valuation, in his estimated average raiding gear a single point of haste is worth about .38 DPS. This leaves Hurricane at 95 DPS to Avalanche's 230 DPS.

The OP is updated with this DPS comparison evaluation.

Result: Hurricane is worth about 1/2 the DPS of Avalanche. Until crystals become readily available and Landslide becomes more reasonable for the price, Avalanche is the go-to interim enchant.

Edit: My bad, I forgot to factor in weapon speed and dps.

Weapon Speed 174522
Weapon DPS 872

Speeds are the same so I'm not gonna bother calculating that but
PvP weapon=114184+623.3dps(872)=657701.6
Foe Reaper=144526+522.2dps(872)=599884.4

Again, sorry about not calculating that in before, but the PvP weapon is superior. This also doesn't take into account reforging the crit on the sword as well as taking any hit/expertise over the cap into account.

[Bamahut]

You want to be at the hit and expertise cap for PvE, for PvP the higher those are the more hits you get in.

I'll throw my main link so you can get a base line for the gear: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mahut/advanced

[monkeyelf]

You want to be at the hit and expertise cap for PvE, for PvP the higher those are the more hits you get in.

I'll throw my main link so you can get a base line for the gear: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mahut/advanced

This isn't really the place for it, but might I suggest that you go to http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...t=rate+paladin to get some help?

[chemicader]

check the stat prio and work according to it.

[Kenjji]

what do you guys think is better and why : Akirus or reclaimed Ashkandi?

doesn't the 3.80 speed scream "PICK ME" in gigantic shiny letters enough?

[Cardolan]

what do you guys think is better and why : Akirus or reclaimed Ashkandi?

It's not even a hard choice: Ashkandi is simply superior.

In addition to being slower, it also has the distinction of being the only weapon available from raiding without expertise - which, depending on your other gear, may be invaluable.