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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokann View Post
    Heh yeah, everything remotely smelling of fantasy always gets compared to Tolkien. Even when it runs on realistic character interactions rather than an idealised, almost fable-esque setting running on narrative imperative alone.
    Tolkien is the father of (modern) fantasy, he created a mythology where the world was the most important thing. Respect your elders!


    ASoIaF is one of the best, if not the best book series I've read, but I'm a sucker for epic and fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstormen View Post
    Tolkien is the father of (modern) fantasy, he created a mythology where the world was the most important thing. Respect your elders!
    I never said I don't. However, comparing Tolkien's stories of heroes fighting monsters with Martin's political intrigue is sort of daft. The basic ideas are polar opposites; where Tolkien's world runs on narratice imperative (something happens because it makes a good story, basically), Martin applies a more realistic cause-and-effect style of writing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokann View Post
    I never said I don't. However, comparing Tolkien's stories of heroes fighting monsters with Martin's political intrigue is sort of daft. The basic ideas are polar opposites; where Tolkien's world runs on narratice imperative (something happens because it makes a good story, basically), Martin applies a more realistic cause-and-effect style of writing.
    Plot structure turns in it's sleep.

    I'm sometimes worried if he even knows how to end it all.
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    Hizdahr zo Loraq cast.

    http://winteriscoming.net/2013/09/hi...zo-loraq-cast/

    A fair bit younger than I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helden View Post
    Hizdahr zo Loraq cast.

    http://winteriscoming.net/2013/09/hi...zo-loraq-cast/

    A fair bit younger than I expected.
    He didn't strike me as super old in the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstormen View Post
    He didn't strike me as super old in the books.
    Agreed. This guy looks just a tiny bit younger than I imagined. But other than that, he looks almost exactly as I imagined him.

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    I imagined him older as well, I had the impression he'd been around for a bit, maybe in his 40s. But I'm sure this guy will be just fine.

    I also loved Martin's comments on how a certain set piece is shaping up for season 4 of the show:

    "It looks spectacular. The bride's dress incorporates roses, there are 77 courses at the dinner feast, and there's some wonderful halftime entertainment."

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    well age is a bit different in that time of the world than it is for us

    in the 12th/13th century the average lifespan was 43 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    well age is a bit different in that time of the world than it is for us

    in the 12th/13th century the average lifespan was 43 years
    While it's based off of those times... it's not. It's fantasy. There's many people 70-90 years old in these stories.

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    Sort of. While yes it's not uncommon for people to live to ages far older than the traditional medieval Earth analog, there was a reason for characters like the Stark children to be much younger in the books than they are portrayed as in the show. People "come of age" far earlier in ASoIaF than in the show and that is in keeping with Earth history norms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Zait- View Post
    While it's based off of those times... it's not. It's fantasy. There's many people 70-90 years old in these stories.
    They are kind of noble and unique most of the time though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstormen View Post
    They are kind of noble and unique most of the time though.
    and tbh it's usually the high ranking noblemen, whose life was much easier. While it wasn't unheard of for nobility to reach 60+, the lifespan for your average peon was about 40, for a soldier about 30.
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    Neil Marshall confirmed to be directing in Season 4. Battle at the Wall anyone?. If he can make that as good as Blackwater, i'm even more pumped for S4.

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    Three Eyed Raven cast.

    http://winteriscoming.net/2013/10/th...ed-raven-cast/

    Looks interesting, hopefully it means they'll be cutting a lot of the "Bran is going North" crap out, worst parts of Dance by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helden View Post
    Three Eyed Raven cast.

    http://winteriscoming.net/2013/10/th...ed-raven-cast/

    Looks interesting, hopefully it means they'll be cutting a lot of the "Bran is going North" crap out, worst parts of Dance by far.
    God I hope so... I never skip chapters, but man Bran's chapters were pushing it...
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    I quite enjoyed them after a while! As soon as he was past the wall, I thought it got pretty interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    God I hope so... I never skip chapters, but man Bran's chapters were pushing it...
    Those were painful and I skipped some on a second read through

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    Sometimes I feel I'm the only person in the world who actually enjoyed reading Bran and Ironborn chapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    well age is a bit different in that time of the world than it is for us

    in the 12th/13th century the average lifespan was 43 years
    Yes, but do you understand why the average lifespan was 43 years? It's because it's an average.


    Look at it like this, the "average lifespan" being 43 years...doesn't actually mean people generally lived to be/died at around 43 years old. If that were the case, the average lifespan would actually be much lower (in the low to mid 20s). People lived to be 70+ all the time. As stated, it was generally the noblemen who did, because they had a much easier lifestyle than peasants. The thing that skews the average, though, is infant mortality. Get a cold as a baby? Dead. Born with a deformity? Dead.

    The reality of the matter is, if you lived long enough to escape adolescence you had a very good chance of having a long life. It was just getting over the initial hurdle of infancy when your body doesn't have a fully developed immune system. Think back to as recently as 250 years ago, around the time America was gaining it's independence. Infant mortality rate was huge. It's only been in the last century or so that medicine has advanced enough, and technology has advanced enough to make said medicine readily available for the vast majority of people, that the infant mortality rate has diminished. It's still a huge factor in many of the third world countries though.


    That being said, I wouldn't take the fact that there are people in the show who live to be 70+ as cause for labeling it fantasy. My money would be on the dragons, and the whole "dead people coming back to life" part. Just saying.



    Edit: As far as Bran goes, I found Cersei, Sansa, and Bran to all have horribly boring chapters UNTIL their characters developed more. Basically Sansa throughout all of books 1 and 2 was horrible. Constant crying and whining and worried about being a "proper lady". Bran was worse, sob story "pity me" bullshit. His got a lot better once he went North though, and Sansa's got a lot better once Ser Dontos...helped her.
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