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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Have you read the books? Characters start going off in 20 different directions lol
    Yes I have but I believe things go as follow Since Sam was already back in the Castle Black in the finale of last season we don't have separate arc for him and most other end book stuff happens from Jon's perspective anyhow, including surprise appereance of Stannis that was already built up in last season and now he only needs to "surprise".

    Escape of Sansa, Purple wedding and the following duel will probably happen at last 4 episodes with last episode being Tyrion escaping so that keeps King's Landing events overall quite confined and with our favourite Khaleesi having only one city left to conquer/govern/pass judgement those things get more cohensive pacing. First half of season is most probably spent fleshing out our beloved Dorne chaps.

    Beyond that they really have Arya/Hound storyline which will probably be stretched over the entire season and her finally getting over sea is sort of "climatic thing" as with Tyrion's rescue.


    Overall I think the starting setup for the last season of Storm of Swords can launch with great opporturnities for better editing and pacing overall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Yes I have but I believe things go as follow Since Sam was already back in the Castle Black in the finale of last season we don't have separate arc for him and most other end book stuff happens from Jon's perspective anyhow, including surprise appereance of Stannis that was already built up in last season and now he only needs to "surprise".

    Escape of Sansa, Purple wedding and the following duel will probably happen at last 4 episodes with last episode being Tyrion escaping so that keeps King's Landing events overall quite confined and with our favourite Khaleesi having only one city left to conquer/govern/pass judgement those things get more cohensive pacing. First half of season is most probably spent fleshing out our beloved Dorne chaps.

    Beyond that they really have Arya/Hound storyline which will probably be stretched over the entire season and her finally getting over sea is sort of "climatic thing" as with Tyrion's rescue.


    Overall I think the starting setup for the last season of Storm of Swords can launch with great opporturnities for better editing and pacing overall
    You think they are going to skip the entire Sam arc where he ends up meeting Arya and goes for his maester training? Or are you just talking about for season 4/second half of book 3? Season 3 I can see being wrapped up easier, but going into season 4, there is just so much going on.

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    My brother constantly tells me to read the books. And my friend constantly tells me to watch the TV version.

    Which is better? And in which order?

    sorry if this has been discussed before (I'm sure it has); I don't feel like reading 185 pages..

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    The books are better IMO. The show's great, but it's still an adaption; there are things (increasingly so) left out and rearranged and generally changed up to better suit the medium. Most people who've read the books first will tell you it's suffered for it a little. Others would say a lot.

    But eh, it's up to you. In hindsight I kind of feel I'd enjoy the show more if I watched it before I read ASoIaF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    The books are better IMO. The show's great, but it's still an adaption; there are things (increasingly so) left out and rearranged and generally changed up to better suit the medium. Most people who've read the books first will tell you it's suffered for it a little. Others would say a lot.

    But eh, it's up to you. In hindsight I kind of feel I'd enjoy the show more if I watched it before I read ASoIaF.
    This is 99% true. There is one character interaction in the show that was not in the books that I really enjoyed, and that was between Tywin and Arya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    This is 99% true. There is one character interaction in the show that was not in the books that I really enjoyed, and that was between Tywin and Arya.
    Yeah, some of the new scenes have been great. The Robert and Cersei one in S1 was really well done, and little things like Ned shouting "Baelor" at Yoren so he could find Arya was just enriching an already great scene. They do nail it sometimes.

    Though on the other hand, they really fucked around with some of the best material in the books, like Theon in S2. It started out great, but diverted off, became rushed, and the ending was just... confusing, and explained very poorly later.

    Then there's things like Pod and his magical penis. >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    Then there's things like Pod and his magical penis. >.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    You think they are going to skip the entire Sam arc where he ends up meeting Arya and goes for his maester training? Or are you just talking about for season 4/second half of book 3? Season 3 I can see being wrapped up easier, but going into season 4, there is just so much going on.
    Yes I am only talking about season 4 thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Yes I am only talking about season 4 thus far.
    Ok lol Makes sense. Season 4 looks as if it has been trimmed down into a few major arcs. I guess I am just looking ever further forward and just wondering how the hell they are going to work it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    My brother constantly tells me to read the books. And my friend constantly tells me to watch the TV version.

    Which is better? And in which order?
    They are both very good, so I think it doesn't matter. I watched Season 1 before reading, then read the books before it continued. Either way was fine.

    In terms of quality, books 1 and 3 were wonderful; the other's dragged a bit in places (my eyes glazed over on the Bran, Dany chapters ...). I actually think the TV show is better TV than the books are literature, but that's a bit unfair as so much of the plot and dialogue of the TV show is just taken from the books. There are minor deviations, but it's remarkably faithful. Some of the TV actors nail their parts so well; I find it hard to separate book Tyrion from Peter Dinklage Tyrion, for example (although Peter's is probably sweeter).

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    The books are better.

    However, the TV series are better as TV series than the books are as literature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by econ21 View Post
    They are both very good, so I think it doesn't matter. I watched Season 1 before reading, then read the books before it continued. Either way was fine.
    This wouldn't make much of an impact though since season 1 and book 1 were incredibly close. Season 2 is where they start to veer off more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    You think they are going to skip the entire Sam arc where he ends up meeting Arya and goes for his maester training? Or are you just talking about for season 4/second half of book 3? Season 3 I can see being wrapped up easier, but going into season 4, there is just so much going on.
    Last I checked in the books, that was like, the equivalent of a scene. He didn't even know who she was. The heading back to Westeros bit is important, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Last I checked in the books, that was like, the equivalent of a scene. He didn't even know who she was. The heading back to Westeros bit is important, though.
    Just a scene for the actual meet, sure. But there has to be build up of him getting there and getting back. He can't just show up for funsies. It's possible they could cut that trip out entirely, they know stuff we don't about the books that aren't out yet, so maybe it's pointless. I doubt it though, why would it be in there.

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    Someone has to die during that trip though, as I'm sure you recall. I guess that could be done elsewhere, but I always viewed their trip across the Narrow Sea as a way for Aemon to realize Dany was alive and had hatched dragons, and she was the prophecy reborn, as her rise to power is mainly contained to the lands East of the Narrow Sea. Then he dies, and it's really up to Sam to spread the word of dragons in Westeros in Oldtown. For that reason alone, I think that journey has to be shown in the TV series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Someone has to die during that trip though, as I'm sure you recall. I guess that could be done elsewhere, but I always viewed their trip across the Narrow Sea as a way for Aemon to realize Dany was alive and had hatched dragons, and she was the prophecy reborn, as her rise to power is mainly contained to the lands East of the Narrow Sea. Then he dies, and it's really up to Sam to spread the word of dragons in Westeros in Oldtown. For that reason alone, I think that journey has to be shown in the TV series.
    Yeah. This is what I mean when I say how I don't understand they are going to fit so much content in lol There are so many paths to follow and events to show. Books Four and Five should take like 4 seasons of show just to get through.

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    I think they should slow down with moving through the content. Book 6 isn't even done yet, so let's not be hasty in pushing the story along so fast

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    Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but I came across this hauntingly beautiful gem. If I didn't know better I'd think it were a song by HBO/GRRM themselves. I hope this makes it into season 4, for a few, err, pivotal scenes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    The books are better.

    However, the TV series are better as TV series than the books are as literature.
    What. What does that even mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstormen View Post
    What. What does that even mean.
    I think what he's trying to say is if you compare the TV Show to other TV Shows its better overall than if you compared the Books to other Books.

    Which is entirely his opinion, I think the Song of Fire and Ice series is one of the better book series i've read, miles better than Tolkiens work at anyrate (which is what everyone i've spoken to about it seems to compare it to).

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