SWTOR information gathered thus far from various sources

[Omians]

I meant more along the lines of a movement ability, not an in combat/charge ability.

they said somthing about that if a holocon is in a spot were you can't normaly get into, you would need to drag an enemy over to a spot, im guessing the force jump is an in combat use ability and probly will be used like heroic leap, i cant confirm this but im going by what they said in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrRB1...layer_embedded

[Trollsbane]

Ok, so this has been in the back of my mind since the term "Shared Trees" was introduced.

After looking at the Advanced Classes Blog AND the newer webpage and going over every single Advanced Class and Tree (even if I'm already dead set on Inquisitor) I've stumbled upon a small problem.

And I want feedback from Trollsbane or any other beta/E3 player, without breaking the NDA of course, so feel free to be EXTREMELY vague at my expense; here's my question:

What exactly is at the end of the shared trees? The 21/31/41(?) point talent that is...

Is it something that is just useful for that specific tree or is it really a tree (and talent thereof) that can actually benefit ALL specs and advance classes.

For example: the Sith Inquisitor can be a melee dps, tank,ranged dps or healer but ALL of these roles could be (theoretically speaking) augmented by the "Madness" tree. So I guess my real question is, how is that possible? What is UP there that can be useful for all specs, or is it a tree that just has a lot of different talents and the endpoint is something more "utility based?"

It's killing me not to see talent trees :<

Anyone with ANY information, no matter how vague, would be appreciated.

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Speaking for a Sorcerer's choices, each talent tree makes you take a different route of playstyle. You can be a healer if you take the Corruption tree; a ranged dps if you take the Lightning tree; or sort of a dot type class (that may be wrong) if you take the Madness tree.

If you want to play a healer, you would never (could never) go all the way up another tree. You would want to spend your points in the Corruption tree. You might take a few early tier talents from the Madness tree (or the Lightning tree), because they augment that role. Ie: +2/4/6 pressence (I made that up btw).

To get the skill at the top of the madness tree, you would be playing the madness playstyle. I believe it is a dot/ranged/and a bit of close range hybrid. But don't quote that.

It makes no difference what is at top tbh, because you need to see the entire tree to know what playstyle you want. If you like the Madness talents, you will like the top of the tree spell. If you want to be a lightning or healer spec, you will never see the top of another tree.

The shared tree of each class is not there to suppliment existing trees. It is a tree of it's own that has a distinct playstyle. The only difference is that Assasins and Sorcerers will gain different skills as they level. So if you rolled a Sorc and specced into the Madness tree, and a Sin and specced into the Madness tree, they would play differently because you will gain different skills depending on your advanced class choice.

Again, I'm not entirely sure what you were asking, so I just gave all the info I could think of.

[Karrotlord]

I meant more along the lines of a movement ability, not an in combat/charge ability.

Consulars and Inquisitors have Force Speed. It increases speed by 150% but only for 2 seconds. It's meant to be used a stealth charge but it doesn't require a target so you could use it for locomotion if you wanted to. Not sure how far you'd get.

[Omians]

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Speaking for a Sorcerer's choices, each talent tree makes you take a different route of playstyle. You can be a healer if you take the Corruption tree; a ranged dps if you take the Lightning tree; or sort of a dot type class (that may be wrong) if you take the Madness tree.

If you want to play a healer, you would never (could never) go all the way up another tree. You would want to spend your points in the Corruption tree. You might take a few early tier talents from the Madness tree (or the Lightning tree), because they augment that role. Ie: +2/4/6 pressence (I made that up btw).

To get the skill at the top of the madness tree, you would be playing the madness playstyle. I believe it is a dot/ranged/and a bit of close range hybrid. But don't quote that.

It makes no difference what is at top tbh, because you need to see the entire tree to know what playstyle you want. If you like the Madness talents, you will like the top of the tree spell. If you want to be a lightning or healer spec, you will never see the top of another tree.

The shared tree of each class is not there to suppliment existing trees. It is a tree of it's own that has a distinct playstyle. The only difference is that Assasins and Sorcerers will gain different skills as they level. So if you rolled a Sorc and specced into the Madness tree, and a Sin and specced into the Madness tree, they would play differently because you will gain different skills depending on your advanced class choice.

Again, I'm not entirely sure what you were asking, so I just gave all the info I could think of.

thought as much as for the shared trees, still looking for the video on the talk about the trees XD

[Tore]

Judging by some ACs, some of the shared trees appear to be something of a hybridization between the two ACs. For example, the Jedi Consular Balance tree is kind of a bridge between the "caster-ish" Seer AC and the "melee-ish" Shadow AC. This results in a melee-oriented tree that uses close range Force powers to augment fighting ability.

Others are entirely unique and designed to compliment the core AC. For example, the Trooper tree "Assault Specialist" teaches the use of explosives to use in conjunction with the Trooper's main weapon (and the main weapon depends on AC).

[Trollsbane]

Here's another way to explain it since I might have confused with the last post

......................................Inquisitor
..............._________________|___________
...................| ...........................................|
.............Sorcerer..................................Assassin
__________|__________________________|_________
| ......................|.................|.|..............|.................|
Corruption.....Lighnting.......Madness......Deception......Darkness

There are 5 distinct paths you can take.
Corruption, Lighning, Deception, and Darkness are all their own.
Madness can be used by both trees, yet it will be slightly different depending on what advanced class you picked, due to each AC getting their own unique talents as they level.
Like in WoW, if you want to go up the healer tree, you will spent all 31/41/51 points in that tree, and the 5/10/20 points leftover will be in a different tree. Or, you could hybrid and not fully go up any one tree if you wanted to go that route.

*edit* Well, that pic didn't work. lol

[Karrotlord]

I think the general question was "Will the shared tree be useful for both ACs? Would a melee spec and ranged spec get equal use out of it?" I think Torethyr did a decent job of explaining.

[tamlus]

Trolls thanks now my head is literally exploding. Like worse then Alderaan

[Karrotlord]

Trolls thanks now my head is literally exploding. Like worse then Alderaan

Aaah... good. You fixed the eyesore.

[Trollsbane]

I think the general question was "Will the shared tree be useful for both ACs? Would a melee spec and ranged spec get equal use out of it?" I think Torethyr did a decent job of explaining.

Except he was asking about the top of the tree, which doen't have to do with it at all.

I just don't want anyone to confuse this.

The shared tree is a fully functional tree of it's own. It is not there to solely be used in conjunction with another tree.
A Sorc speccing heals may take all points in Corruption, and leftovers in lightning. Or, he could take all points in Corruption, and leftovers in Madness.
A Sorc speccing dots (just for a term) may take all points in Madness, and left over in Lightning. Or, he could take all points in Madness, and all leftovers in Corruption.

If WoW's Pallys and Druids shared a class, meaning Pally and Druid were the ACs that were choosable after level 10. The paly would have 3 trees. Tank, heal, dps. As would the druid.
If they shared the heal tree, then they would each have their own style of tanking and dps, and the shared heal tree would be for them to use if they wanted to spec heals.
If they shared the tanking tree, they would each have a dps and a heal tree, and would both have access to the same tanking tree.
The shared tree is a role on its own, it's just that either of the advanced classes can be that spec.

---------- Post added 2011-06-18 at 10:40 PM ----------

Karrot, yes they are. But re-read what he asked origionally. It wasn't if he could put points in another tree to help his main spec. (Which is what you are describing, (and correctly)).

He asked what the 41point talent is, and is it useful only for that specific tree, or for all trees and specs.

[Karrotlord]

Karrot, yes they are. but re-read what he asked origionally. It wasn't if he could put points in another tree to help his main spec. (Which is what you are describing)

He asked what the 41point talent is, and is it useful only for that specific tree, or for all trees and specs.

Correct. I just reread it and got a little confused myself. Sorry for that but i at least hope my off-point questions helped in some way.

[Trollsbane]

Did you delete a post just now, or did I reply to something that wasn't really there? O_o

I'm tired. lol

Gonna go to sleep. =p

Hopefully we (I ) didn't confuse more people than it helped.

[Karrotlord]

Did you delete a post just now, or did I reply to something that wasn't really there? O_o

I'm tired. lol

Gonna go to sleep. =p

Hopefully we didn't (well, I didn't) confuse more people than it helped.

I added a new post and it duplicated the previous one 3 times for some magical reason so I tried to delete the extra ones but they all went bye-bye. I have absolutely no idea what happened. O_o ?

[tamlus]

I understand it now trolls but i still feel like this is one of those things i will need to see to fully comprehend but ty for explaining so much. The most annoying thing through reading all this information though is definatly reading the top of the tree talent, instead of the bottom of the tree talent (im assuming in swtor you spec up trees and not down like in wow)

[Trollsbane]

Ah. Good to know I'm not going looney.

[Omians]

I added a new post and it duplicated the previous one 3 times for some magical reason so I tried to delete the extra ones but they all went bye-bye. I have absolutely no idea what happened. O_o ?

its weird that ti does that, just refresh the page it should fix it

[Trollsbane]

I understand it now trolls but i still feel like this is one of those things i will need to see to fully comprehend but ty for explaining so much. The most annoying thing through reading all this information though is definatly reading the top of the tree talent, instead of the bottom of the tree talent (im assuming in swtor you spec up trees and not down like in wow)

Yeah, you spec up like in Rift.

I guess to sum it all up, the only reason it's called a shared tree is because both ACs have that tree. Instead of creating 6 unique specs (trees), they made 5.

[Omians]

Yeah, you spec up like in Rift.

I guess to sum it all up, the only reason it's called a shared tree is because both ACs have that tree. Instead of creating 6 unique specs (trees), they made 5.

well if the AC have different playstyles that happen in the shared spec, wouldnt it be like 7 different playstyles per Class then?

[Karrotlord]

well if the AC have different playstyles that happen in the shared spec, wouldnt it be like 7 different playstyles per Class then?

I don't think so. Expanding on the Madness tree, it seems like a dot/buff tree that would work just as well for both ACs without any radical change for either. Argh, I just wish they'd release the damn trees already.

[Omians]

I don't think so. Expanding on the Madness tree, it seems like a dot/buff tree that would work just as well for both ACs without any radical change for either. Argh, I just wish they'd release the damn trees already.

well troll said that the AC learn stuff from the trainers that is different

so a Sith assassin in madness will play different then a Sorcerer in madness, and if it plays different its a playstyle wouldnt it?