omg, thought it would never happen, but I finally caught up.
Long time lurker (through sporadic reading of this post) but its about time I join it. I'll do what I can to contribute, but I typically am more of a sponge for information rather then supplying it. Awesome post Trolls and thank you for keeping it up to date with tasty bits of info.
Also, I tend to have... um a bad habit of jumping on Trolls (the other kind, not the OP) and ripping their heads off. I'll do my best to keep myself in check for keeping the quality and integrity of the thread. If I do go off on one of my rants, just bonk me and I'll quiet down again.
Currently my biggest issue with this game though is... Jedi Sentinel or Smuggler Gunslinger? Can't decide! Leaning towards Gunslinger just simply cause smugglers are freakin sweet and I really really don't want to be one of the millions of players flooding the Jedi classes (or force classes for that matter) but considering the game isn't really at the point of predicting the popular classes, this may be a false fear. But a Jedi is very appealing. If nothing else then even just the starting zone....
gah, even after deciding on one or the other, thinking about it later often causes me to debate back and forth again. I do play a rogue currently in WoW and a Sentinel would probably be the most familiar, but there isn't anything wrong with switching things up, and all my friends starting up this game with me are going different flavors of Jedi.
>< ... This decision probably wont be made till I'm in the character creation screen.
Last edited by Cel; 2011-07-01 at 12:18 AM.
The Pr for this machine started with the first released piece of info way WAY to early.
I won't deny there are some fans that make crap up. So very true, but I consider the way the crowd feels now to a cause and effect situation. A majority of things that has happened from the first released piece of info to now from the fans was in some way caused by BW. The fan hype, the overzealous gamers, the small tidbits of info released to the larger convention releases. They wipe the crowd into a frenzy and then complain when the frenzy turns against them. BW started the PR machine and now it cannot stop it.
Once you get the hype machine running. There is no controlling it and you cannot decided to turn around and slack on feeding it as it will eventually turn on you as you can seeing. It' starting to happen on more and more threads and posts. I see it everyday.
Case in point: Last weeks Friday update. Nothing but a repeat of what fans have seen. BW has built fans up on those Friday updates and "meat" is expected. Otherwise whats the point of having a friday update. That video could have been put on the site another time to get the small number of fans that are not there already. I don't think it was a good move and in turn it caused a slight backlash.
What I'm getting at is the PR hype for the game is huge and I think BW is getting close to screwing it up. If their not careful the crowd can turn bad. Especially as the speculated release window gets shorter and shorter.
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Seriously dunno why your people are whining about friday updates tell me one game company that has released weekly updates about a game in dev and did so better then Bioware.
How could they not see that coming?
No other company that I know of but I think that was Biowares downfall with PR. Other companies don't do that for a reason.
I think we're overdue to see the final Class video, I know the Counselor boards really want their video. But hey, I'm good with a Smuggler armor preview if that is indeed what's coming tomorrow, they're definitely the class I'm most looking forward towards.
Also, can someone link the location of those comics from last page or send me a PM? I can see they're affiliated with Darth Hater but I scanned their site and did a quick google search and didn't see the comics, so if there are any more could someone help me find them?
i didn't read the entire thread for obvious reasons of it being over 350 pages long but i found this information from a website i normally check out, might be of interest to everyone here, it's not a huge chunk of info but regardless it's intriguing
check it out
Unfortunately, until the people at Blizzard take time to quit explaining why they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong, they are not going to even hear everyone speaking out desperately trying to warn them the ship is sinking.the problems driving players from WoW aren't content or the age of the game, the problem is how the game experience and design philosophy are being undermined by Blizzard's hubris and greed.
Im not sure if I agree with the above point Quras made either. For a company as successful as BW, working on their first MMO, specially under the EA name, how long do you think they could actually keep all this info a secret? (I mean we already have plenty of people leaking info left and right despite BW's policing) Plus, from what I have seen of BW over the years, they are much like the old Blizzard model, the game is not out till its ready. Something Blizzard is suffering from IMO since they sorta dropped that standard. Of course its going to be hard to manage all the hype when the game's release date is completely controlled by the finished product. Its either deal with this, or not release anything at all until very very close to the release date.
It is certainly up to BW on how they control the hype (and who is to say exactly how it should be controlled, humans are unreasonable by nature), but I think you are wrong about them starting up the hype. Personally, I rather them release little bits of information when they are ready to, and release the game when its finished rather then bend to the expectation of their followers. I have seen in so many cases where a game company just starts catering to their player base only to destroy all the fun in said game. I hope I am not the minority in this view point simply because of that reason. Listening to your player base and getting ideas and making decisions from it is a good thing, of course. But they should still be Bioware interpretations and creations and not just generic player based ideas thrown into the game... Like certain gaming companies are now doing.
I say let the company do as they will. Control your own lust, and let the game speak for itself when it hits the shelves. People bitching about how a successful business is run I just can't understand. I mean it'd be one thing if you were in the same business and had personal insights. But as a fan just demanding more, or a specific thing, just makes no sense. Its impossible to please 1 million plus people. We all have our unique desires and all Bioware can really do in this case is work off of what experiences they have had in the past and what they believe works best.
There's a reason why most of us don't create games. Its because most of us don't have the experience or knowledge on how to do it. Pretty crazy when companies just start bending to the will of their users for the all mighty dollar at the cost of a entertaining and fun experience.
*edited to make sense... <_<*
Last edited by Cel; 2011-07-01 at 01:25 AM.
The unfortunate fact of the matter is as the the game gets closer to release, the community is resembling the WoW official boards more and more. The actual subscription numbers are not super large for them to turn a tidy profit, and if they do turn some of the crowd away, it might be for the best.
I'm not really trying to sway anyone's opinion to be honest. I just think what we're seeing now as far as players reactions is as much as BW fault as it is the player base. Too much hype for way way to long. BW just didn't pace it well and we're all seeing some crazy posts cause of it.