1. #7501
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollsbane View Post
    They haven't even really started PR yet. Wait till a release date is announced. We'll be bombarded.
    Yup, and this thread will have over 9000 posts then it's gonna turn into madness.

    Btw that Miranda pic, she's so hot! lol

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  2. #7502
    omg, thought it would never happen, but I finally caught up.

    Long time lurker (through sporadic reading of this post) but its about time I join it. I'll do what I can to contribute, but I typically am more of a sponge for information rather then supplying it. Awesome post Trolls and thank you for keeping it up to date with tasty bits of info.

    Also, I tend to have... um a bad habit of jumping on Trolls (the other kind, not the OP) and ripping their heads off. I'll do my best to keep myself in check for keeping the quality and integrity of the thread. If I do go off on one of my rants, just bonk me and I'll quiet down again.


    Currently my biggest issue with this game though is... Jedi Sentinel or Smuggler Gunslinger? Can't decide! Leaning towards Gunslinger just simply cause smugglers are freakin sweet and I really really don't want to be one of the millions of players flooding the Jedi classes (or force classes for that matter) but considering the game isn't really at the point of predicting the popular classes, this may be a false fear. But a Jedi is very appealing. If nothing else then even just the starting zone....

    gah, even after deciding on one or the other, thinking about it later often causes me to debate back and forth again. I do play a rogue currently in WoW and a Sentinel would probably be the most familiar, but there isn't anything wrong with switching things up, and all my friends starting up this game with me are going different flavors of Jedi.

    >< ... This decision probably wont be made till I'm in the character creation screen.
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  3. #7503
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollsbane View Post
    Actually, i can't see that point of view. There is nothing at all that BioWare is promising us. There is nothing they are doing except sharing the development process with us. There is nothing they are going the wrong way with, because they never said they were going to go a certain way.

    WE, the fans, make shit up and fabricate the reality. We say they are breaking promises. We say they are countering thhings they've said. We say their PR sucks.

    They haven't even really started PR yet. Wait till a release date is announced. We'll be bombarded.

    The Pr for this machine started with the first released piece of info way WAY to early.

    I won't deny there are some fans that make crap up. So very true, but I consider the way the crowd feels now to a cause and effect situation. A majority of things that has happened from the first released piece of info to now from the fans was in some way caused by BW. The fan hype, the overzealous gamers, the small tidbits of info released to the larger convention releases. They wipe the crowd into a frenzy and then complain when the frenzy turns against them. BW started the PR machine and now it cannot stop it.

    Once you get the hype machine running. There is no controlling it and you cannot decided to turn around and slack on feeding it as it will eventually turn on you as you can seeing. It' starting to happen on more and more threads and posts. I see it everyday.

    Case in point: Last weeks Friday update. Nothing but a repeat of what fans have seen. BW has built fans up on those Friday updates and "meat" is expected. Otherwise whats the point of having a friday update. That video could have been put on the site another time to get the small number of fans that are not there already. I don't think it was a good move and in turn it caused a slight backlash.

    What I'm getting at is the PR hype for the game is huge and I think BW is getting close to screwing it up. If their not careful the crowd can turn bad. Especially as the speculated release window gets shorter and shorter.

  4. #7504
    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessInfinite View Post
    Yup, and this thread will have over 9000 posts then it's gonna turn into madness.

    Btw that Miranda pic, she's so hot! lol
    If you romance anyone other than Tali, you have no soul.

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  5. #7505
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Case in point: Last weeks Friday update. Nothing but a repeat of what fans have seen. BW has built fans up on those Friday updates and "meat" is expected. Otherwise whats the point of having a friday update. That video could have been put on the site another time to get the small number of fans that are not there already. I don't think it was a good move and in turn it caused a slight backlash.
    I wasn't aware it was stated that fan friday was supposed to be new info every week. Was that stated somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torethyr View Post
    If you romance anyone other than Tali, you have no soul.

    <3 Tali.
    But then I'd be cheating on Liara ._.

  6. #7506
    Seriously dunno why your people are whining about friday updates tell me one game company that has released weekly updates about a game in dev and did so better then Bioware.

  7. #7507
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    I wasn't aware it was stated that fan friday was supposed to be new info every week. Was that stated somewhere?
    No it's not stated anywhere but thats my point. The fan crowd, after being hyped up for so long will not easily be calmed back down. The hype coming out of E3 was so staggering, you could feel the buzz about this game everywhere. Then the Friday repeat sent fans spinning out of control.

    How could they not see that coming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandaliciouz View Post
    Seriously dunno why your people are whining about friday updates tell me one game company that has released weekly updates about a game in dev and did so better then Bioware.

    No other company that I know of but I think that was Biowares downfall with PR. Other companies don't do that for a reason.

  8. #7508
    I think we're overdue to see the final Class video, I know the Counselor boards really want their video. But hey, I'm good with a Smuggler armor preview if that is indeed what's coming tomorrow, they're definitely the class I'm most looking forward towards.

    Also, can someone link the location of those comics from last page or send me a PM? I can see they're affiliated with Darth Hater but I scanned their site and did a quick google search and didn't see the comics, so if there are any more could someone help me find them?

  9. #7509
    I found them at darthhater. There pretty damn cool.

    Here

    http://darthhater.com/comics/pro-tips.

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    i didn't read the entire thread for obvious reasons of it being over 350 pages long but i found this information from a website i normally check out, might be of interest to everyone here, it's not a huge chunk of info but regardless it's intriguing

    http://games.on.net/article/13018/20...Claims_EA_Boss

    check it out
    Unfortunately, until the people at Blizzard take time to quit explaining why they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong, they are not going to even hear everyone speaking out desperately trying to warn them the ship is sinking.
    the problems driving players from WoW aren't content or the age of the game, the problem is how the game experience and design philosophy are being undermined by Blizzard's hubris and greed.

  11. #7511
    Im not sure if I agree with the above point Quras made either. For a company as successful as BW, working on their first MMO, specially under the EA name, how long do you think they could actually keep all this info a secret? (I mean we already have plenty of people leaking info left and right despite BW's policing) Plus, from what I have seen of BW over the years, they are much like the old Blizzard model, the game is not out till its ready. Something Blizzard is suffering from IMO since they sorta dropped that standard. Of course its going to be hard to manage all the hype when the game's release date is completely controlled by the finished product. Its either deal with this, or not release anything at all until very very close to the release date.

    It is certainly up to BW on how they control the hype (and who is to say exactly how it should be controlled, humans are unreasonable by nature), but I think you are wrong about them starting up the hype. Personally, I rather them release little bits of information when they are ready to, and release the game when its finished rather then bend to the expectation of their followers. I have seen in so many cases where a game company just starts catering to their player base only to destroy all the fun in said game. I hope I am not the minority in this view point simply because of that reason. Listening to your player base and getting ideas and making decisions from it is a good thing, of course. But they should still be Bioware interpretations and creations and not just generic player based ideas thrown into the game... Like certain gaming companies are now doing.

    I say let the company do as they will. Control your own lust, and let the game speak for itself when it hits the shelves. People bitching about how a successful business is run I just can't understand. I mean it'd be one thing if you were in the same business and had personal insights. But as a fan just demanding more, or a specific thing, just makes no sense. Its impossible to please 1 million plus people. We all have our unique desires and all Bioware can really do in this case is work off of what experiences they have had in the past and what they believe works best.

    There's a reason why most of us don't create games. Its because most of us don't have the experience or knowledge on how to do it. Pretty crazy when companies just start bending to the will of their users for the all mighty dollar at the cost of a entertaining and fun experience.

    *edited to make sense... <_<*
    Last edited by Cel; 2011-07-01 at 01:25 AM.

  12. #7512
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post

    Case in point: Last weeks Friday update. Nothing but a repeat of what fans have seen. BW has built fans up on those Friday updates and "meat" is expected. Otherwise whats the point of having a friday update. That video could have been put on the site another time to get the small number of fans that are not there already. I don't think it was a good move and in turn it caused a slight backlash.

    What I'm getting at is the PR hype for the game is huge and I think BW is getting close to screwing it up. If their not careful the crowd can turn bad. Especially as the speculated release window gets shorter and shorter.
    Case in point: The Devs had TOLD people what the Friday update was going to be long before it came around. They said it would be the recap video, they said not to get too excited since they had just given out so much new info at E3. Just because people are idiots and didn't listen does not mean Bioware is managing its PR poorly.

    The unfortunate fact of the matter is as the the game gets closer to release, the community is resembling the WoW official boards more and more. The actual subscription numbers are not super large for them to turn a tidy profit, and if they do turn some of the crowd away, it might be for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    No it's not stated anywhere but thats my point. The fan crowd, after being hyped up for so long will not easily be calmed back down. The hype coming out of E3 was so staggering, you could feel the buzz about this game everywhere. Then the Friday repeat sent fans spinning out of control.
    Stephen Reid (Rockjaw) promises on his twitter tomorrow's info will be new.. so do not worry we will all have something to fap too tomorrow!

  14. #7514
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post

    But then I'd be cheating on Liara ._.
    I love me some Liara! <3

  15. #7515
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    I wasn't aware it was stated that fan friday was supposed to be new info every week. Was that stated somewhere?

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    But then I'd be cheating on Liara ._.
    I cheated on Liara with Tali. it was worth it...

    but I just want choices! just say no to mostly male companions.

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    Quras, I'll respect your stance and agree to disagree. =)

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  17. #7517
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollsbane View Post
    Quras, I'll respect your stance and agree to disagree. =)
    Thats cool.

    I'm not really trying to sway anyone's opinion to be honest. I just think what we're seeing now as far as players reactions is as much as BW fault as it is the player base. Too much hype for way way to long. BW just didn't pace it well and we're all seeing some crazy posts cause of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessInfinite View Post
    Yup, and this thread will have over 9000 posts then it's gonna turn into madness.

    Btw that Miranda pic, she's so hot! lol
    Just finished ME2 and, uhhh yea...I totally tapped that

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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Thats cool.

    I'm not really trying to sway anyone's opinion to be honest. I just think what we're seeing now as far as players reactions is as much as BW fault as it is the player base. Too much hype for way way to long. BW just didn't pace it well and we're all seeing some crazy posts cause of it.
    Yep, BioWare is just as much fans of their work as we are, and that means they have no idea what they want or when they want to show it. If they'd taken a route like ANet and set up like say, one month to dedicate to showing off a race or a class or an AC or a planet, with a nice stock of good info to slowly release over the month, I think we'd see much more managed expectations.
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    @Rockjaw Stephen, can I be excited about tomorrows Friday update or as someone who's seen everything released so far will I be crying again?

    @Rockjaw Stephen Reid
    @Nosh_Yraelo I promise it will be new.
    Hope for tomorrow, for those who punch their screens at rehashed info.

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