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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Bitlovin View Post
    Trust me when I say that the speed of an SSD is so worth it. I run my OS / apps / games off it, running WoW 12+ hours a day for a year on my SSD and no hint of a problem, ever. I think the "limited writes" stuff you hear is 99% rumor.

    That said, I do keep an external USB 500gb traditional hard drive for media storage.... SSD's just aren't that spacious.
    Yep. Just got one myself and I'm still amazed at not only the loading speed of the OS but WoW and other games I play as well. If you have the money it's worth it, even more so if you can afford multiple ones for a stripe volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    Most SSD that are good quality ive seen have been about $350-$400.. sure they have them for $150-200 but hell even at $200 it's not a big enough performance increase for me.
    Hehe, i think you're looking too much at the statistical numbers and not at real life performance. Most 80GB drives will perform close to the larger size equivalents at common (random) reads and writes; the difference is there naturally - but its not enough to make 'the difference' to speak. You still reduce the critical seek time from 7-13ms to sub 0.1ms. From ~200 IOPS to tens of thousands.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    it's true that computers are bottlenecked at storage mediums but any benchmarks i've seen haven't made me want to spend excess money on little performance increase. I can cold start to wow login in screen in about 2 minutes right now.. I personally don't think an extra $400 to be able to do it in 1 minutes is worth it.
    It's much more than a slight performance boost though. Most SSDs are at least 3 to 4 times faster than the fastest SATA hard drives currently. They are kinda of expensive, but you can always buy a smaller SSD to only install your OS and most used applications on. If you don't have a high end system already you're right in that you're better off spending money on other performance increases that you'll see more of a gain on for your buck.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    it's true that computers are bottlenecked at storage mediums but any benchmarks i've seen haven't made me want to spend excess money on little performance increase. I can cold start to wow login in screen in about 2 minutes right now.. I personally don't think an extra $400 to be able to do it in 1 minutes is worth it.
    You're missing one very important point with SSDs. It does not just speed up booting Windows, but it speeds up everything you do inside windows from facebook to porn to ripping MP3s from CDs. Most of the speed-ups comes from caching of system files, and it's very noticeable difference.

    Also your price guesstimate is way off the mark. 120GB SSD with Sandforce controller costs bit over $200, and is plenty for everything else except storing 2TB of midget porn. I don't really see how you could blow $400 on it unless you're looking at the cost of Apple Store upgrades from HDD to SSD.
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    My SSD made more of a noticeable difference than overclocking my CPU to 4.8 or 5.1GHz. They are an amazing little piece of hardware that brings life to EVERYTHING in the OS. In anything you do you will notice the speed increase of how snappy things open, close, encode, etc. You can get a 128GB PCI-E SSD now for $290 and get 500MB/s which is 5x that of normal hard drives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesseblah View Post
    You're missing one very important point with SSDs. It does not just speed up booting Windows, but it speeds up everything you do inside windows from facebook to porn to ripping MP3s from CDs. Most of the speed-ups comes from caching of system files, and it's very noticeable difference.

    Also your price guesstimate is way off the mark. 120GB SSD with Sandforce controller costs bit over $200, and is plenty for everything else except storing 2TB of midget porn. I don't really see how you could blow $400 on it unless you're looking at the cost of Apple Store upgrades from HDD to SSD.
    I get what you are saying and I'm not against them at all

    I'm just saying for me If I have a car that does 12 sec 1/4 miles I don't need to spend xtra money to see 11 sec 1/4 miles.... that's all im saying. Now when I build a new PC I may go with an SSD - HDD combo when prices drop and performance increase more. That's all im saying and from what the OP was saying it seemed like he had a Macbook already and wanted to upgrade it to the SSD which is about $400 give or take from what I understand.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    I get what you are saying and I'm not against them at all

    I'm just saying for me If I have a car that does 12 sec 1/4 miles I don't need to spend xtra money to see 11 sec 1/4 miles.... that's all im saying. Now when I build a new PC I may go with an SSD - HDD combo when prices drop and performance increase more. That's all im saying and from what the OP was saying it seemed like he had a Macbook already and wanted to upgrade it to the SSD which is about $400 give or take from what I understand.
    Ok I'll play along.

    Anyone that wants to be competitive in the 1/4 mile knows how big of a difference 11 seconds and 12 seconds is...we're talking a "sport" that is measured down to the hundredth of a second. Your analogy fails. Your arguments against SSD's are not valid. You are however, allowed your own opinions, regardless of how misguided or misinformed they may be.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227611 Far from $400

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    I'm just saying for me If I have a car that does 12 sec 1/4 miles I don't need to spend xtra money to see 11 sec 1/4 miles.... that's all im saying.
    Your car analog is way off the mark. More fair comparison would be a car (HDD) versus aluminium rims, navigator, cruise control, electric seats, sun roof etc. (SSD). It still gets you from point A to point B, but the feeling of of luxury is from another planet entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    That's all im saying and from what the OP was saying it seemed like he had a Macbook already and wanted to upgrade it to the SSD which is about $400 give or take from what I understand.
    Why wouldn't you just do it yourself? Why let lolapple do it? ._.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepreacher View Post
    Ok I'll play along.

    Anyone that wants to be competitive in the 1/4 mile knows how big of a difference 11 seconds and 12 seconds is...we're talking a "sport" that is measured down to the hundredth of a second. Your analogy fails. Your arguments against SSD's are not valid. You are however, allowed your own opinions, regardless of how misguided or misinformed they may be.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227611 Far from $400
    Is having a slightly faster PC a sport? Holy shit i didn't know that i mean I could see if I was doing arenas for money but just doing stuff at home I guess

    Also when did I say SSD suck?? I didn't.... did I? No i think i said I would consider it down the road when i build a new PC but since my PC now is fast enough for what I do.. and it's plenty fast I guess saving hell I'll say $100 to buy other things i want is unwarranted and causes everyone such heartache
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donax View Post
    it's funny everyone thinks that the SSD are worth the performance yes they are faster because seek times are reduced.. but to me I don't see it being cost effective NOW. In the future when software is written with SSD as the storage then i can see it but saving 10sec on OS startup and .10 sec to open programs. I dont see it.

    Don't get me wrong when we get more stable SSD and software that is program to load from SSD yes you may see the benefit. but I'll stick with the old HDD having 4TB for the cost of 400MB of SSD
    Well I actually agree with that. I recently bought two c300 256 gig and while they of course are really fast the overall impact on performance is too low to justify the price at least for the things I do on my computer.
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    You don't buy them because they are good performance/money.
    You don't buy so huge SSDs to store things on.

    You buy them because you don't want to wait, and think the time wasted, staring at the screen where nothing happens, is one hell of a big of an annoyance.
    Trust me, have everything on your SSDs, then completely transfer everything onto them onto a fresh 7200 RPM-drive. You *will* feel the difference and hate it afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetrisgoat View Post
    You don't buy them because they are good performance/money.
    You don't buy so huge SSDs to store things on.

    You buy them because you don't want to wait, and think the time wasted, staring at the screen where nothing happens, is one hell of a big of an annoyance.
    Trust me, have everything on your SSDs, then completely transfer everything onto them onto a fresh 7200 RPM-drive. You *will* feel the difference and hate it afterwards.
    Well I actually still have for instance my alt/auctionhouse client on my normal raid consisting of a couple cheap samsung 1tb drives and while of course the loading times are longer the additional couple seconds don't really concern me. For all other programs I usually just start them once after the boot and don't close them till I switch it off so...of course again I see their use but I still think that they are kinda overrated. Booting windows of course is really fun but it's also a bad habbit - I sometimes just reboot because I am bored and want to see how fast it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoranzone View Post
    Well I actually still have for instance my alt/auctionhouse client on my normal raid consisting of a couple cheap samsung 1tb drive
    I think you say that just to annoy me, knowing how much I hate Raid0, the non-raid raid. :'<

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetrisgoat View Post
    I think you say that just to annoy me, knowing how much I hate Raid0, the non-raid raid. :'<
    Its strictly for performance. I ran it for the longest time back in the day on 2x 74GB Raptors. 4 years, no failure.

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    Hm, are SSDs really worth it, from a speed to price perspective? I mean how fast do you really need things to be before it's overkill? :P I bought a slightly more expensive 10k RPM HDD with 300GB on it for my OS games and such, and a cheapy HDD for storage. My only complaint about the 10k is that it sounds like a jet engine, but I've gotten used to it. That seemed a little bit more bang for my buck than an expensive SSD with very limited space. I'd like to give an SSD a go when they go down in price... But it seems like you'll always need a HDD for storage.

    I don't know a whole lot about this kind of stuff though!

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    It can vary based on what you're doing. If you run alot of programs, especially ones that do alot of random reads/writes on the drives, you'll notice it.
    Even Velociraptors can't get anywhere near an SSD in IOPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetrisgoat View Post
    I think you say that just to annoy me, knowing how much I hate Raid0, the non-raid raid. :'<
    I don't think I mentioned that I was referring to a raid0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rurumiki View Post
    Hm, are SSDs really worth it, from a speed to price perspective? I mean how fast do you really need things to be before it's overkill? :P I bought a slightly more expensive 10k RPM HDD with 300GB on it for my OS games and such, and a cheapy HDD for storage. My only complaint about the 10k is that it sounds like a jet engine, but I've gotten used to it. That seemed a little bit more bang for my buck than an expensive SSD with very limited space. I'd like to give an SSD a go when they go down in price... But it seems like you'll always need a HDD for storage.

    I don't know a whole lot about this kind of stuff though!
    The advantage is bigger the more smaller spread out smaller files you're using. A competent RAID array of Physical HDD will still push similar/more reads in sequential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfiredragon View Post
    SSD have a few problems

    1) Price.
    2) Limited writes before they stop working.

    So what people will do is get a SSD to store the OS on since it does not change a lot, it will maximize boot times and OS related performance then they use a large normal drive for all their other stuff.
    I remember reading an article talking about SSD limited writes. The guy who was testing it basically said he (as a power user) Writes 7GB/Day. With his 200GB SSD, and 10000 writes, it would take him 10-15 years before he started showing performance degradation. Since most people upgrade after 2-3 years, there is no reason to worry at all.

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