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    Garrosh 10HC - Best way to sort p4?

    Hello!

    We recently reached P4 on Garrosh HC and we are getting closer to a kill.
    But what is the best way to deal with the ironstar and the malice/bobardment overlap?

    Our setup is;
    Prot pally

    2x hunters
    Enha Shammy
    Fury Warrior
    Boomkin
    Warlock
    Mage

    Resto druid
    Disc priest

    I was thinking having Priest, Pally and one hunter + the malice target soak the first overlaping malice/bombardment to spawn the ironstar and then have the hunter kite the star.

    And for second overlapping malice/bombarment use the malice target + the second hunter. (perhaps warrior aswell?)

    Anyone with experience on the fight who can give some advice on how to solve it differently if needed or just general tips for P4?

    Thanks
    Lufoo

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    if you have high dps roughtly 2.7-3mill raid dps save hero for ph4 and nuke, don't spawn an iron star and boss should die shortly after doing 1 kite phase as the adds all spawn.

    If not then just practice landing the iron star on the boss at the best time possible and deal with malice properly and its an easy kill.

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    2x hunters soaking fourth malice (mage backing up if either gets it).
    To spawn first ironstar, have:
    Enh shammy-fury warr-warlock-boomkin in - plus the malice target if it isn't one of them, of course (all popping personal cds against the malice if they get to 2-3 stacks).

    We personally use a disc priest to kite the iron star. Unlimited 80% speed with feathers = godlike, and there is barely any damage going on for your second healer anyway (we go pally+disc - as pally isn't very mobile, we let him stand outside of the third malice when he's solo healing it, so he can focus on pumping heals into the raid). Making a hunter do it is risky, as they don't actually run faster than the star etc - unless your hunter is your best player, I'd not pick him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    2x hunters soaking fourth malice (mage backing up if either gets it).
    To spawn first ironstar, have:
    Enh shammy-fury warr-warlock-boomkin in - plus the malice target if it isn't one of them, of course (all popping personal cds against the malice if they get to 2-3 stacks).

    We personally use a disc priest to kite the iron star. Unlimited 80% speed with feathers = godlike, and there is barely any damage going on for your second healer anyway (we go pally+disc - as pally isn't very mobile, we let him stand outside of the third malice when he's solo healing it, so he can focus on pumping heals into the raid). Making a hunter do it is risky, as they don't actually run faster than the star etc - unless your hunter is your best player, I'd not pick him.
    cheers, will try your plan on the malice tonight!
    will consider not using a hunter on the iron star, but the priest can place feathers for a hunter giving him more speed on the way aswell + Posthaste talent giving 60% mov. with roughly 60% uptime.

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    for the wheel pick someone with a sprint that has a brain. basically you just want to use the player who you have the most faith in to get the timing right. that's about the only thing that can go wrong.

    4th malice/2nd bombardement ideally spread out just before so no wheel spawns. assign 2 guys with CDs to soak and one back-up in case one of them is the malice target. then make sure at least one healer stays in range of them. mage the mage and warlock blink/portal away and the others use sprints to get out. the soaking team shouldn't move too quickly and the healer assigned to them should just step a few yards back and then heal them. pala devo aura as well, just to be sure.

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    disc priest would probly be best for the kiter in p4. the iron star moves at around 30% movement speed i think or a lil faster, anyway our shaman tried to outrun it in GW form and he got owned lol so ya. unless u have a monk which doesnt seem likely, go with a disc priest.
    for the 2nd malice people can stack but make sure to spread before bombardment happens u dont want a 2nd ironstar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lufoo View Post
    cheers, will try your plan on the malice tonight!
    will consider not using a hunter on the iron star, but the priest can place feathers for a hunter giving him more speed on the way aswell + Posthaste talent giving 60% mov. with roughly 60% uptime.
    The hunters speed boost (Cheeta) is dangerous as it can lead to a daze if a malice goes off wrong, he has to tick a tick of fire, etc - basicly, not something you'd rely on. As for posthaste, disengaging while kiting the star is pretty much the most stupid thing to do. You risk getting too far away from it so it retargets someone else, and it could risk disorienting you if you aimed slightly wrong.
    Using feathers is a way to go, but if you have the priest out there spamming feathers anyway (can lay 3 down beforehand, but need 6+ to get the star safely kited from one side of the room to the other and in, so priest needs to run out a second time mid-kite to lay feathers) why not just have him kite? Plus, if your kiter isn't good, the star is very likely to target the priest if he should ever get too close.

    @ Announced, Only reason most progress guilds went with monks in 25 man, is because you have 3 tanks for a 1 tank-phase. The monk has the best kiting tools of the lot for sure (as evidenced by them kiting the adds - which ment it would also in most cases be OS / alts that were in the lowest gear = least contribution). That, and the malice can't target tanks (it used to be able to randomely hit the malice target, despite of all Blizzards "supposed" fixes - we had two wipes in P4 before our kill in our 10 man alt raid back in late february. One because we didn't spawn a star as we weren't prepared, and one to malice targetting our disc kiter - just a week after they "supposedly" fixed it).

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    i did iron star kitting with ghost wolf + rocket jump + eng speed.. easy (had potion of swiftness, if nitro fuel leaks)

    btw why do you need to spawn second iron star? we are killing garrosh right after second bombardment, dps should not be problem in these days, i guess

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    We personally use a disc priest to kite the iron star.

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    That's the healer setup we used for pretty much all of our kills. I always did the kiting as a Resto Druid since it is an absolute joke and your healing isn't needed during Malice 3. You can use dash as the star is spawning - get in close after it lands but before it fixates - and then start your kite. Once dash expires just switch to travel form and the star will never catch you.

    When we switched to two groups, our Disc Priest did the kiting in the other group. Remember that if you have your Disc Priest out laying feathers for someone else then you are probably going to wipe if he gets Malice 3, and you are going to have one less person soaking Malice 3. Ticks of Malice going into Garrosh towards the end of the kite can really screw up the timing of the Iron Star impact.
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    Get your druid or priest healer to run the iron star, druid has dash, possibly blink, and travel form, priest has feathers (and you don't need more than 1 healer for the entirety of p4)

    We have 4 raid members spawn the iron star at the start of bombardment phase whilst malice target + 2 other soak malice in the other direction.
    For the second bombardment, we don't spawn a star, just have malice + 2 people go soak it again and raid spreads out, boss will be dead before he gets to 100 energy. If you do get a second star, just get one of the healers to run it around till the boss dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondshai View Post
    We personally use a disc priest to kite the iron star.
    This.

    On our first kill we used a rogue, maybe for our second aswell, but since then i have taken it as a disc and it is so easy. The other healer dont have anything to heal anyway, and you can most likely reach the boss with penance/holyfire/solace which helps with the healing of the raid. So i would go with this aswell for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lufoo View Post
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    The second malice (first overlapping) is easy to soak. It is mostly over when bombarement starts so just handle it normally and make sure you spawn one star.

    Who the kiter is doesn't really matter. Any class is fast enough (even without using any personal speed enhancements) provided they are using a darkwater potion (70% for 15 seconds ... op much?) as their second potion. (Seriously you don't need that dps with 4/4 upgrades.)

    Though yes; unless you actually feel the need for the disc priest to stay in (for w/e reason) I'd use him too.

    As for the 4th malice (aka second overlapping) I'd use the cheese strategy. Since you have 2 hunters why not use them?

    (If one of the hunters gets 4th malice probably use the mage with IB or the lock. Or just wipe it up and hope for better RNG :P.)

    Cheese strat goes as follows:
    - Malice 4 comes out
    - First tick gets soaked by anyone but the hunters
    - Bombardement 2 starts
    - Second and third ticks get soaked by the hunters (make sure they are topped before)
    - Both hunters pop deterrence.
    - wait till deterrence falls off
    - Both hunters take another 1 or 2 stacks.

    Done.

    If you wanted you could even have them pop both deterrences and take almost no damage.

    It would go like this:
    - Malice 4 comes out.
    - Hunters and malice target run off to the side + hunters pop 1st deterrence.
    - first deterance falls off they pop second
    - second deterrence falls off
    - they take the last 1 or 2 stacks normally (depends on exact timing)

    Done.

    P4 is a complete and utter joke in 10man since they patched the amount of people it takes to get the star.
    Last edited by gend; 2014-07-07 at 01:53 PM.

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    This is pretty much the same comp as my 10 man. In p4, we just soak all the malice's as a team and when the star comes down I kite it as a Boomkin while everyone else does their thing.

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    OP here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willfox View Post
    Get your druid or priest healer to run the iron star, druid has dash, possibly blink, and travel form, priest has feathers (and you don't need more than 1 healer for the entirety of p4)

    We have 4 raid members spawn the iron star at the start of bombardment phase whilst malice target + 2 other soak malice in the other direction.
    For the second bombardment, we don't spawn a star, just have malice + 2 people go soak it again and raid spreads out, boss will be dead before he gets to 100 energy. If you do get a second star, just get one of the healers to run it around till the boss dies.
    Used 4 ppl assigned to soak 2nd malice and spawn iron star. Worked great. Using a disc priest for the kite.
    We had a 2% wipe today due to a .25sec wrong timed iron star. Managed to nuke him to 2% before adds overran us. So by the looks of it the boss will be dead before malice nr4/bombardment.

    Hopefully we will have a kill tomorrow.

    Thanks for all the tips and pieces of advice guys!
    Will post what we used to bring him down once he is dead!

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    I kite the iron star every week for out guild as a resto druid. Just have 4 people stack when bombardment in malice 2 starts, and have your druid go travel form. They won't need any speed increases at all, maybe have them take Displacer Beast if they are in a tight spot. Have your shammy pop Healing tide or AG for Malice 3 (not really necesary, but just to be on the safe side).

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