Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms

[Vath]

This isn't fair, QQ. Pure DPS class shouldn't have to take the main responsibility in a dungeon pug but should still earn the equal rights to mount/gold. 45 minute waits are bomb, this change is not welcomed. Infact, lets increase que times to 2 hours and when you complete the dungeon, you lose 500g and 1 mount from your Mounts spellbook tab, will be untaught, and removed. Oh and while we're at it, remove the vote kick option.

I hope you see what i did thur.

[Cactrot]

And it fucks over classes which can't tank or heal.

Way to ignore the very relevant with the 40 minutes you save you could easily farm up the mounts, AND you could farm the one you specifically want instead of random. Quit crying, this is great news.

[Shjimm]

Way to ignore the very relevant with the 40 minutes you save you could easily farm up the mounts, AND you could farm the one you specifically want instead of random. Quit crying, this is great news.

40 minutes? Easily farm up the mounts? 520 Stratholme runs here, no mount.

[Leodegrance]

The have to complete the instance. The more they tank, the more they learn. The more they learn, the better they become. The better they become, the more they will run.

In the beginning, they will be bad. In the end, they will be great.

True enough,but that is assuming they are actually allowed to finish the runs without being kicked by the rest of the group for being a "noob" tank.Can't improve if you are not allowed to do the run or finish it by getting kicked.

Its a catch 22 for any tank out there.Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't with the stupidity of the player base in this game.

[Kovek]

RAWR! I am a DPS! I feel I am entitled to everything! Yes I should be able to get exactly what a Tank or Healer can get, even though I am DPS. Yes I could roll or spec to be a Tank or Healer, but I don't want to. I should be able to spam a single move mindlessly on what ever the Tank targets and be rewarded the same as everyone else.

[Idaho Immortal]

It will create a temporary solution. At first, we will see an influx because of tanks who really want said mount or whatever.

Eventually, a majority of those tanks will get what they want. Then they'll go back to being done.

[Deleted]

This whole thread makes me laugh. As a tank, I see the selfish, whiny DPSers unhappy about this change that was made to fix an issue mostly caused by the selfish, whiny, standing-in-fire DPS types anyway. They're a lot of the reason tanks don't want to do LFD to start with.

Pretty much this. As mentioned many times above, if the dps classes who can't sign as a healer/tank want the mounts and pets available from the goodie bag. Simply spend the time you would have saved in the instance where it drops.

This merely encourages more people to tank/heal an instance more than 1 time a day.

It gets rediculous to some extent. Blizzard implement a new system which helps dps players, reducing their queue times (somewhat dramatically), though alas, it's not good enough. They want the mounts/pets/gold(lol) too. I haven't seen anyone give their solution

A very welcome change coming from an Elemental shaman. Hope it works, also hope the other dps classes stop bitching about

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40 minutes? Easily farm up the mounts? 520 Stratholme runs here, no mount.

I love the way people expect the goodie bag to have a 100% chance to drop all 3 mounts. It'll have the same drop chance as it would if you killed and looted that said boss.

Suck it up and move on. Like this game hasn't been made easy enough for some people (OH YES I WENT THERE)

[Baelic]

Basically, all QQ can be boiled down to people crying when they don't get something, then once they do they QQ about getting what they wanted.

[Necrophiel]

i agree with you the dps just have to que to arms which is like 99% less likely for it to happen then for a healer or a tank

actually.. this may make queues longer for tanks and healers. especially if dps are waiting for their call to arms to light up before queuing.

another poignant thought about this is most tanks are already soloing their mount dungeons/raids already. is another bag going to inspire them to lfd? likely not.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I actually posted this suggestion on the official forums a couple of weeks ago; seemed like the obvious solution to me.

of course, I was only talking about extra gold and extra VP for the low representations. An extra goodies bag is a damn good idea imo.

the first good idea I have seen from Blizzard in some time, and the first thing I have seen in 4.1 that might just slow or even reverse the trend of people leaving.

[Shjimm]

I love the way people expect the goodie bag to have a 100% chance to drop all 3 mounts. It'll have the same drop chance as it would if you killed and looted that said boss.

Suck it up and move on. Like this game hasn't been made easy enough for some people (OH YES I WENT THERE)

That is not at all what I said or meant, I just simply pointed out its not as easy as "go get it" all times. I don´t think anyone expects the mounts to fall from the sky, really. But as always there will be lucky people. But please, don´t make it seem as if I said something I didn't.

On Topic I think this will work out good, although I can feel for pure dps classes if it boils down to dps "never" getting a goodie bag.

[Thiron]

I am DPS. A hunter. A pure DPS class that can't spec to be a tank.
Ok, yes, I am jealous of tanks and healers that will get more stuff I'm trying to collect...but that's not the biggest problem for me.
You know what? I do not whine for shorter queue.
I can spend my 30 min per day reading a book or watching youtube.
But when I join the heroic...I want to be able to finish it. We'll definitely see much more unskilled tanks and healers who decide that extra rewards are worth some wiping. I'd rather spend 30 min in queue, than spend 10 min in queue and 20 min wiping.
Another big problem is that it discourages tanks and healers from running with pre-made groups, and gives incentive to go solo.

Also:
Many tanks and healers keep saying things like DPS players don't even matter. That tank and healer have much more responsibility, and if DPS weren't lazy they'd reroll. But let's be fair here... Even with awesome tank and healer, you DO need DPS to be good enough. Fail DPS is also fail. You can't faceroll dungeons without faceroll dps. You will fail it if your DPS are idiots. Being DPS might be easier, but not by a magrin so huge as some tend to believe. We interrupt, we CC, we dispel, we kill or kite the adds. We get out of fire. We kill the boss after all! Maybe we facerolled in wrath, but now? Now we need to be better, and yet we are in worse position.

[shandala]

A slap in the face to every serious mount collector out there. Sure, I haven't seen the dropchance yet, but that isn't the problem. The problem is that people really did go around the world farming dungeons forever to get those mounts, now people will get everything delivered from the comfort of Stormwind/Orgrimmar. What's next? A tabard that gives you rep with every faction in game? Soon people won't have to leave the cities at all.
The rare mounts are there to show that people have really put an effort into getting them (or had incredible luck) either way, doing your daily heroic should NOT be concidered an effort of this magnitude. The two aren't even comparable.

The fact that it can be due to incredible luck completely invalidates that it shows ANYTHING. It shows nothing of it can be only due to luck. You are completely making up a reason to be offended.

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Also:
Many tanks and healers keep saying things like DPS players don't even matter. That tank and healer have much more responsibility, and if DPS weren't lazy they'd reroll. But let's be fair here... Even with awesome tank and healer, you DO need DPS to be good enough. Fail DPS is also fail. You can't faceroll dungeons without faceroll dps. You will fail it if your DPS are idiots. Being DPS might be easier, but not by a magrin so huge as some tend to believe. We interrupt, we CC, we dispel, we kill or kite the adds. We get out of fire. We kill the boss after all! Maybe we facerolled in wrath, but now? Now we need to be better, and yet we are in worse position.

You can easily do the dungeons with good tanking and healing with low DPS that stand in fire as long as one of the three can stay alive and pull 10k. One in three is fine, it just takes longer.

[Thiron]

You can easily do the dungeons with good tanking and healing with low DPS that stand in fire as long as one of the three can stay alive and pull 10k. One in three is fine, it just takes longer.

Corla. Obsidius. Springvale. Ulthok. Neptulon/Ozumat, namely phase 2. Steelbender(tank check but DOES need good dps). Trongus. Erudax...All 2nd floor HoO bosses except maybe Isiset.
They all get harder with stupid dps. Some even get harder with smart enough but just low dps. Sure, I might be exaggerating, but none of them is nice with just 1 DPS as you said)

[Deleted]

for me as tank, who does neither need valor or conquest points this system makes me queue again, because i get gold, flasks for raiding and maybe a pet or even a mount.
if i queue, another grp can finish their daily and queue time is being reduced (given any other tanks feel like i do)

think it's gonna work out and i like the change.

[Deleted]

Don't really see it being call to arms: healer much my queue times are rarely instant and are on average 10mins long (this may be a different matter for heroics, ideal the normals because it's faster and easier than dying alot because the tank if struggling to keep aggro off of me).

That being said I don't really care about the rewards the raven lord mount is cool but I'd never farm for it so a slight chance of a tank getting it doesn't bother me. If this speeds up my queue times as dps for heroics I welcome it with open arms.

For all the QQing dps that will inevitably post everywhere, if you weren't retarded and did as the tank said/cc'd well/used your defensive cooldowns/even interrupted for christs sake(it's off the gcd for a reason) we would be in less of a mess right now. Some of the things I've seen said to a tank have been ridiculous. Although usually these things are from baddies who need to man up and accept responsibility for your their play and quite often shoddy dps.