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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbles View Post
    BREAKING: NHL & NHLPA have agreed to federal mediation per Bob McKenzie.

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    Deputy Director Scot L. Beckenbaugh, Director of Mediation Services John Sweeney, and Commissioner Guy Serota to serve as the mediators.

    Mediation agreements are binding. The parties are not bound to agree to anything in mediation.
    Wow that is shocking. Hopefully it ends well and doesn't break down even further. Guess we will find out on Wednesday.

    As someone rooting for the maximum chaos of this reaching January and the Phoenix situation imploding, I'm kind of sad.

    Fun fact from Chris Johnson on Twitter: The NHL and NHLPA met with federal mediators on February 13, 2005. Three days later the season was cancelled.

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    I like Wysh's take on the mediation. Either it is going to help get things resolved or the mediator is going to look at the deal, laugh at the NHL's claim that it is giving major concessions to the players and then the entire thing explodes.

    On a lockout related note, pretty proud of myself and my ongoing boycott of anything the NHL might make a dime on. Amazon had their NHL beanies on sale for $10 and I was going to buy a Sabres one before it got cold out (the Wings is bright red. Honestly, print them all in Navy or black depending on the team with the logo) and I held out saying fuck da NHL.
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    It won't help a thing. The Owners will stick to their take it or leave it attitude and get pissed when the mediator tells them what they are offering is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conscript View Post
    On a lockout related note, pretty proud of myself and my ongoing boycott of anything the NHL might make a dime on. Amazon had their NHL beanies on sale for $10 and I was going to buy a Sabres one before it got cold out (the Wings is bright red. Honestly, print them all in Navy or black depending on the team with the logo) and I held out saying fuck da NHL.
    Well I feel weak... I bought 4. Sabres, Wings, Preds and Coyotes.

    You can tell WoW changed the MMO for good when players started complaining about the amount of time they sink, into a time sink.

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    Having mediators won't do much unless these guys are basically going to tell the owners "hey, stop trying to fuck the players".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irony View Post
    Well I feel weak... I bought 4. Sabres, Wings, Preds and Coyotes.
    Way to cross the line you scab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conscript View Post
    Way to cross the line you scab.
    I'm all for boycotting greedy players and owners, BUT THEY WERE 10 DOLLAR HATS!

    You can tell WoW changed the MMO for good when players started complaining about the amount of time they sink, into a time sink.

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    The Wild have informed employees they are cutting pay and shortening to a four day work week. Yay for lockout casualties.

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    If you ever see a Teletubby rocking a 0.30 BAC, you run your ass away as fast as possible.
    http://deadspin.com/5963665/red-wing...etubby-costume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbles View Post
    If you ever see a Teletubby rocking a 0.30 BAC, you run your ass away as fast as possible.
    http://deadspin.com/5963665/red-wing...etubby-costume
    Is this real...? Or are 5 news websites just all in on the joke.

    You can tell WoW changed the MMO for good when players started complaining about the amount of time they sink, into a time sink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irony View Post
    Is this real...? Or are 5 news websites just all in on the joke.
    Nope its real apparently. Pretty hilarious. Hope Smith doesn't get in trouble for loaning Sheahan his id to get into bars.

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    I doubt anything will be done to Smith, but Sheahan might of just ruined his career. Sucks, he was a pretty good prospect.

    You can tell WoW changed the MMO for good when players started complaining about the amount of time they sink, into a time sink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irony View Post
    I doubt anything will be done to Smith, but Sheahan might of just ruined his career. Sucks, he was a pretty good prospect.
    I'm sure he will be fine. I doubt he gets any jail time (since pro athletes somehow never serve time). Smith could face at least a fine for aiding a minor though afaik.

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    oh he's the Red Wings top drafted prospect? doesn't matter its only the guys taken 6th or later that star for them anyway

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    Forbes list of NHL team values and profits: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...rth-1-billion/
    Table format: http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/

    Toronto is now worth as much as the bottom 7 teams in the NHL combined. St Louis is the least valuable franchise in the NHL.
    Teams that lost money in 2011:
    Phoenix- $20.6 million
    Columbus- $18.7 million
    Islanders- $16 million
    Tampa Bay- $13.1 million
    Florida- $12 million
    Anaheim- $10.8 million
    Buffalo- $10.4 million
    St Louis- $10 million
    Hurricanes- $9.4 million
    Minnesota- $3.9 million
    Nashville- $3.4 million
    Washington- $1 million
    San Jose- $.9 million

    Teams printing money:
    Toronto- $81.9 million operating income
    Rangers- $74 millions (!)
    Montreal $51.6 million
    Chicago- $20.5 million
    Detroit- $20.8 million
    Vancouver $30.4 million
    Edmonton- $16.2 million
    Ottawa- $14.5 million
    Boston- $14.2 million

    Everyone else made between $1 million and $13 million. Average profits were around $8 million per team. Revenue was up 9% last season. 83% of the leagues operating income comes from the Leafs, Rangers, and Habs. According to their analysis, even boosting revenue sharing by 33% to $200 million annually and reduced to a 50/50 revenue split, teams like Phoenix, Columbus, etc. STILL wouldn't even come close to breaking even without going at least 2 playoff rounds deep every single year and selling out more games. Good fucking luck with that.

    Look at the shit shape the Devils are in as a franchise thanks to the owner. They were a top 10 revenue generator last year at $122 million (thanks to the Finals run) yet they produced just $2.8 million in operating income. In fact, the amount of debt that the Devils franchise owes, again thanks to their shit owner, is 112% of the value of the entire franchise.

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    i think the islanders will do better when the season gets underway.. given they will be in brooklyn

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    I'm not buying those numbers, especially when at the end of playoffs last year the Nashville owners announced that they actually made a small profit. Granted that may have included total Arena profits, but I don't believe it did.

    Also as far as Toronto being worth more than the bottom 7 teams combined, lets look at how long Toronto has been around and then look at how long the bottom 7 has been around. Toronto didn't get that kind of value overnight, and neither can the newer franchises ( which I'm assuming are the bottom 7).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armourboy View Post
    I'm not buying those numbers, especially when at the end of playoffs last year the Nashville owners announced that they actually made a small profit. Granted that may have included total Arena profits, but I don't believe it did.

    Also as far as Toronto being worth more than the bottom 7 teams combined, lets look at how long Toronto has been around and then look at how long the bottom 7 has been around. Toronto didn't get that kind of value overnight, and neither can the newer franchises ( which I'm assuming are the bottom 7).
    Bottom seven in franchise value from worst to less worse: St Louis, Phoenix, Columbus, Islanders, Carolina, Nashville, Florida. So two long existing franchises, two newer expansions, two horribly stupid relocations, and one not so recent expansion team. I'm sure that it isn't just complete coincidence all the original six teams are the top six most valuable, but that isn't the end of the story. Most of the low value teams are in bad markets. Not all expansion or relocations have been failures. Winnipeg moved from Atlanta and immediately moved way up the list to #20 and should go up from there. Minnesota is pretty great and not that old. San Jose is a smart organization. The value of the franchises comes down to basically intelligence and common sense. Does it make sense to expand to Minnesota or to Florida and expect a franchise to succeed? Does it make sense to relocate a team to Winnipeg or to Phoenix? The franchises that are typically low in value are low because of the stupidity of Gary Bettman's expansion and relocation projects or in the case of the Islanders due to having an arena that is literally falling apart and the team being meh for a long time.

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    The Riley Sheahan soon to be legendary arrest video: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3446--nhl.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by conscript View Post
    Bottom seven in franchise value from worst to less worse: St Louis, Phoenix, Columbus, Islanders, Carolina, Nashville, Florida. So two long existing franchises, two newer expansions, two horribly stupid relocations, and one not so recent expansion team. I'm sure that it isn't just complete coincidence all the original six teams are the top six most valuable, but that isn't the end of the story. Most of the low value teams are in bad markets. Not all expansion or relocations have been failures. Winnipeg moved from Atlanta and immediately moved way up the list to #20 and should go up from there. Minnesota is pretty great and not that old. San Jose is a smart organization. The value of the franchises comes down to basically intelligence and common sense. Does it make sense to expand to Minnesota or to Florida and expect a franchise to succeed? Does it make sense to relocate a team to Winnipeg or to Phoenix? The franchises that are typically low in value are low because of the stupidity of Gary Bettman's expansion and relocation projects or in the case of the Islanders due to having an arena that is literally falling apart and the team being meh for a long time.

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    The Riley Sheahan soon to be legendary arrest video: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3446--nhl.html

    Still though I don't think my point was completely crazy. I'm betting if you look at most of the sports out there the newer franchises are the ones that are the least valuable and being that in most cases those teams are moving into either new or smaller markets it makes pretty good sense. Sure you are going to get some that are just bad ideas, but even in some of those cases it could have much better if not for other factors ( mainly bad ownership ).

    I bet if you look at the NFL and the NBA as well, most of the lower ones for them would also be those that are newer teams, and most of those were also in smaller markets. I don't think Betteman was crazy for trying to expanded the league in the area's that he did, what was bad on his part was not making sure that those franchises were set up right with good leases, good locations, and owners that weren't complete idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armourboy View Post
    I don't think Betteman was crazy for trying to expanded the league in the area's that he did, what was bad on his part was not making sure that those franchises were set up right with good leases, good locations, and owners that weren't complete idiots.
    No, hes an idiot.

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