1. #30261
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Well on Yaks Bend it is hard as heck. Maybe it's just the time that I play or whatever but I've only been able to get in 3 dungeon runs since the game released.
    Mmm ive just started farming for my dungeon set and ive seen plenty of groups advertising. Must be a time of day thing. Most advertising i see in Lions Arch comes in the evening. So may just depend on when you are playing.

  2. #30262
    I don't want to drag the ascended topic in here, but you know what I find funny? people screaming REFUND after 3 months and probably pouring hundreds of hours into this one-time purchase. I should have tried this after I watched a quantum of solace...

  3. #30263
    Yeah people will take advantage of generous policy that ArenaNet has. In my opinion they should look at the purchase date. If you have had the game for more than a month then no refund for you.

  4. #30264
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Yeah people will take advantage of generous policy that ArenaNet has. In my opinion they should look at the purchase date. If you have had the game for more than a month then no refund for you.
    There's a difference here though. This is going against something that sold a lot of people into the franchise, the fact that there is not/will not be a power creep. It's written into the manifesto, it's quoted as one of their responses in "How to measure success" on their blog.

    That they're flat out going against their original design intent is enough to completely sour the experience completely for the past four months.


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  5. #30265
    After this much time, I think I'd feel like a pretty big jerk asking for a refund, though. Even though dollars ARE quite tasty.

  6. #30266
    Well I have over 400 hours played in the game. If I never play another minute I would still consider it a well spent purchase.

  7. #30267
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    There's a difference here though. This is going against something that sold a lot of people into the franchise, the fact that there is not/will not be a power creep. It's written into the manifesto, it's quoted as one of their responses in "How to measure success" on their blog.

    That they're flat out going against their original design intent is enough to completely sour the experience completely for the past four months.


    There's a difference between not liking it when it came out or because you thought it was going to be something different, and liking it until they changed their own rules.
    Sorry, but that's just...no. You can't just stay there and state that hindsight is nullifying all the fun you had so far, except you didn't really had fun but all of your fun derived from waiting on something in the future.
    Sure, the now will always influence how we see the past. But it's not giving you any right to ask for your money back in ANY circumstance.

    It's like having a long relationship breaking up because of whatever and then claiming that all the years were a waste of time. they weren't. And more especially you're definetly not going to ask for a refund for all the presents you bought. (well...some probably would, but there neither legislative nor moral justification to be had)

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    Sorry, but that's just...no. You can't just stay there and state that hindsight is nullifying all the fun you had so far, except you didn't really had fun but all of your fun derived from waiting on something in the future.
    Sure, the now will always influence how we see the past. But it's not giving you any right to ask for your money back in ANY circumstance.

    It's like having a long relationship breaking up because of whatever and then claiming that all the years were a waste of time. they weren't. And more especially you're definetly not going to ask for a refund for all the presents you bought. (well...some probably would, but there neither legislative nor moral justification to be had)
    That's all irrelevant. If NCSoft is still offering refunds, then that's their choice and the rest doesn't matter.

    For me, personally, my own choice for me is that I'd feel like a pretty big jerk doing it, so I doubt I will. It's not my place to make that same decision for others, it's between them and NCSoft.

  9. #30269
    Quote Originally Posted by Corros View Post
    Sorry, but that's just...no. You can't just stay there and state that hindsight is nullifying all the fun you had so far, except you didn't really had fun but all of your fun derived from waiting on something in the future.
    Sure, the now will always influence how we see the past. But it's not giving you any right to ask for your money back in ANY circumstance.

    It's like having a long relationship breaking up because of whatever and then claiming that all the years were a waste of time. they weren't. And more especially you're definetly not going to ask for a refund for all the presents you bought. (well...some probably would, but there neither legislative nor moral justification to be had)
    Actually, a closer experience would be a three course meal at a restaurant, and taking a bite out of a dessert that's long since expired. Its presence and effect can be felt and detract from the enjoyment long before.

    I cannot gain a refund from NCSoft, seeing as I bought my copy physically from a third party retailer (EB Games/GameStop), but I fully understand the feeling and respect those that seek theirs in regards to this. And it's not up to you to honor someone else's return. It realistically is NCSoft's.

    This turn right here, to me, would justify such a feeling, an expression of displeasure associated with the whole ordeal, that I'm not even sure I want to play anymore. This is subjective, but based on my experience, it holds as true as any fact when applied to my enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    Actually, a closer experience would be a three course meal at a restaurant, and taking a bite out of a dessert that's long since expired. Its presence and effect can be felt and detract from the enjoyment long before.

    I cannot gain a refund from NCSoft, seeing as I bought my copy physically from a third party retailer (EB Games/GameStop), but I fully understand the feeling and respect those that seek theirs in regards to this. And it's not up to you to honor someone else's return. It realistically is NCSoft's.

    This turn right here, to me, would justify such a feeling, an expression of displeasure associated with the whole ordeal, that I'm not even sure I want to play anymore. This is subjective, but based on my experience, it holds as true as any fact when applied to my enjoyment.
    Actually, it's more like going to the same restaurant you've always gone to because you enjoy their beef. Then while you're there, you're informed that starting in a few weeks, they'll stop serving beef. You can't refuse to pay up for your delicious beef because there will not be more beef in the future, nor can you demand they refund you for all the beef you've eaten in the past.

    This news, while not welcome to some (I stay on the fence until I hear more about it), does NOT mean you can turn around and say "you know, now that I've heard this I've decided that I did not enjoy the game up until this point and I want a refund for it". You cannot un-enjoy something you've enjoyed. And if you didn't enjoy it in the first place, you've had PLENTY of time to ask for a refund until now.

    Wanting a refund for time spent until now is just self-entitled bullshit.

    Nothing personal, Kelesti. You're still my favorite mod. <3

  11. #30271
    Two things:

    1. I was told I was your favorite mod. >.>

    2. Seeking a refund is understandable.

    The game is meant to be played perpetually. A large selling point up to now was a hard cap on power. Also a distinct lack of both endgame and linear progression. Anet have made posts, written articles, advertised on these aspects and so on for years.

    I can remember their old game magazine adverts that said something to the effect of, "Skill decides!"

    If I bought into a perpetual project under the pretense it was designed a certain way and the developers decided to do 180 on that design-- understandable how some may feel slighted or falsely led. Even more so for those that bought gems under the pretense that the game's design goal was fixed in a certain manner.

    I am not saying one would get a refund. But it is understandable why one would seek a refund because Anet essentially lied.

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    1. That was before it was revealed that Kelesti and I use the same keybinds. Sorry, dear.

    2. Wanting a refund is fine. Expecting a refund is self-entitled bullshit. That's as far as I'm willing to stretch on that point. And I'll still stick to my reasoning that one cannot un-enjoy things that have happened in the past. Depending on how ANet does this (still sittin' on my fence), yes, they could potentially screw over people who liked that there would be no further gear improvement. But if that was the only thing that made the game enjoyable to them... by the Gods are those people shallow.

  13. #30273
    1. I use the the most optimal keybinds. You guys are playing wrong. -_-
    2. Agreed on refunds.

    Though I would say a power ceiling is a HUGE draw to the game. Hand in glove with many other design touchstones of the series. If Anet added gear disparity to PVP that would be a big change.

    I am not comparing the ascended armor to actual gear disparity. Merely the change of dynamic. Such a change would be a large shift in the draw of that game mode within the GW series. It is reasonable to say many PVP orientated players were intrigued by the prospect of normalized PVP in an MMO setting.

    Just as it is reasonable PVE orientated players were intrigued by the prospect of skill detriment access and non-progressive gear system(s).

    Not saying I think such p[layers deserve a refund by my own judgement. Though a shift in a major aspect of design, one that was sold and marketed from the series inception is an understandable position for some to be pissed off about. Enough that they desire a refund.

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    Relevant to the discussion is that the change doesn't even introduce a new set of gear more powerful than what we currently have access to, but rather introduce a step between Exotic and Legendary, which makes the idea of refunds even more ridiculous.

    Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.
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  15. #30275
    Relevant to the discussion is that the change doesn't even introduce a new set of gear more powerful than what we currently have access to, but rather introduce a step between Exotic and Legendary, which makes the idea of refunds even more ridiculous.
    That's completely false.

  16. #30276
    amg yay legendary armor

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    but that means legendary will be the ultimate end gear. so once you have that you won't have to get better gear anymore, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    That's completely false.
    Your word, with no actual arguments whatsoever, versus the word of studio design director Chris Whiteside.

    Don't even bother asking which is more credible.

  18. #30278
    they sold the product under false pretences. clearly this move has been in play before release since you cant make up this content simply in a couple of months. i mean, hate me all you want, but i was right. the anet of old, (gw1) old left when the 2 of the 3 founding members left. have to ask yourselves why eh?

    anyway, they changed their product by either stealth patching crap in (diminishing returns) or this new move with progression they chewed out other mmos for just so they could bolster their sales.

    its sad and funny how gw1 which is still popular continues to chug along because all of its design philosophies still work. no gear treadmill, everyone on equal footing etc.

    gw2 is dead, 3 months and they finally prove all along they were con artists. defend it all you want but the outcry on this is so massive its literally gone nuclear. the odd white knight that doesnt want to admit anet betrayed their own manifesto are the ones in the wrong.

    refund all you like, i did, and i NEVER get refunds on games.

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  19. #30279
    Nope but if your doing the new PvE mode your going to need better and better infusions. Outside of that PvE mode you just need a base set of armor to complete tasks. Anything higher than that is optional goals that you set for yourself to keep playing the game to make your character look cool.

  20. #30280
    Quote Originally Posted by Jigain View Post
    Relevant to the discussion is that the change doesn't even introduce a new set of gear more powerful than what we currently have access to, but rather introduce a step between Exotic and Legendary, which makes the idea of refunds even more ridiculous.
    I read that. Called it out as bullshit and slight of hand already. Making legendary gear top end gear stat wise is creating an additional gear tier.

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