1. #30541
    To be more specific gw2 doesn't use dailies, wows current and only method to get people into the world. Not to mention they are all grind X dailys which are extremely boring and draining and they don't give the excuse "you don't have to do them even though they give good loot"
    To be fair, it's not like GW2 really has a ton of compelling content to get you out into the world, either. Dailies do suck, but so does doing the same AFK-farmable events over and over. At least other MMO's have PvP or other stuff to go out and do.

    You could argue "exploration" but hell...you can do that in any game.

  2. #30542
    At least other MMO's have PvP or other stuff to go out and do.
    Doesn't Guild Wars 2 as well? I am pretty sure they do.

    Also GW2 has dailies. They are just not compulsive like much of everything else in the game.

  3. #30543
    Other mmos have dailies...and raiding. That's about it, for pve anyway. MMOs suck, plain and simple.

  4. #30544
    Yea. The model of MMOs can be pretty constraining. I don't think MMOs deliver gameplay modes better than or as good a other genres. EXCEPT large group pve encounters. Like the one and only thing MMOs can provide not commonly seen or executed in other genres is raiding.

    MMOs are kinda bad games in a certain sense.

  5. #30545
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grognard View Post
    Quick question:

    Got to 36 on my Warrior and looking ahead to the new trait manual at 40, I'm only half able to afford it (lost a bet on the Cattlepault LOL). So, question is about how easy it is to acquire gold at higher levels? I picked up a Midnight Fire dye that I would like to keep, but I really need the four-ish gold I can get by putting it up for trade; if I can easily make up the cost later, I won't worry about it too much.

    Been trying to fully clear one zone before moving on to the next, so that probably has also presented a significant deterrent to my cash flow as I'm still working on the Diessa Plateau.
    It's quite easy, just fractals, get a couple of orange quality weapons (exotic iirc) and then use the highest savage kits, fast ectoplasms that sell for a nice high price.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Doesn't Guild Wars 2 as well? I am pretty sure they do.

    Also GW2 has dailies. They are just not compulsive like much of everything else in the game.
    You're forgetting about beer brawl... by the way where are the other promised mini-games :C?

  6. #30546
    Doesn't Guild Wars 2 as well? I am pretty sure they do.
    When speaking in the context of, "Reasons to go out into the world.", no. It doesn't have PvP or many of the other reasons that people in other MMO's might venture forth into "the world". =D

    Also GW2 has dailies. They are just not compulsive like much of everything else in the game.
    They're not that way in other games, too. People just make them out to be. It's weird, because we keep hearing the logic of, "Well, you don't have to go that high into fractals." or "Well, Ascendant gear isn't that big of an upgrade." and yet a daily in WoW that gives 150 reputation and 12 gold is suddenly twisting your arm to the point of breaking.

  7. #30547
    Quote Originally Posted by Grognard View Post
    Quick question:

    Got to 36 on my Warrior and looking ahead to the new trait manual at 40, I'm only half able to afford it (lost a bet on the Cattlepault LOL). So, question is about how easy it is to acquire gold at higher levels? I picked up a Midnight Fire dye that I would like to keep, but I really need the four-ish gold I can get by putting it up for trade; if I can easily make up the cost later, I won't worry about it too much.

    Been trying to fully clear one zone before moving on to the next, so that probably has also presented a significant deterrent to my cash flow as I'm still working on the Diessa Plateau.
    Have they actually fixed the Cattlepult yet? It's been the last thing I need to complete that zone for months, but every time I go out there it's still disabled.

    As for the manual, don't buy one from the NPC. Look it up on the trading post and then put in an offer (don't buy instantly). I've gotten the level 40 manual for 20s+ less than buying retail.

    It's tough to say about the dye since prices of dyes seem to keep climbing. I'd personally be inclined to hold onto it. Case in point, a few weeks ago you could get the Abyss dye for 5g now it's up to 20g. You may get 4g for that dye now, but when you go to buy it again the cost may have inflated.

    I don't really know what to advise if you don't have at least 80s by level 40 other than sell, sell, sell. You can always check the TP for the going rate of ore and wood and farm a little bit.

  8. #30548
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    MMOs are kinda bad games in a certain sense.
    And I love them to pieces . I play them far more than any single player games and I don't even raid or do dungeons in MMOs, heck I barely take part in the social aspects of MMOs at all. My main reason for playing MMOs is the character (non gear) progression and story progression of the world, I like playing in a game world that's going to expand (hopefully) for many years and have my character(s) grow with that story and world.

  9. #30549
    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post
    Have they actually fixed the Cattlepult yet? It's been the last thing I need to complete that zone for months, but every time I go out there it's still disabled.
    Worked fine for me, yeah; almost got that zone cleared, just some POIs and a vista or two, I think.

    And I didn't realize those manuals could be auctioned - I'll look into that when I get on later. Thanks for the tip.
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  10. #30550
    Quote Originally Posted by barackopala View Post
    You're forgetting about beer brawl... by the way where are the other promised mini-games :C?
    Implemented after guesting.

    NATCH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    When speaking in the context of, "Reasons to go out into the world.", no. It doesn't have PvP or many of the other reasons that people in other MMO's might venture forth into "the world". =D
    Well, WvW is their open world PVP. I suppose one can look at WvW in a sense of a large warfront. And that's fair.

    There are the same reasons to travel the GW2 world as any other MMO I have played; crafting, gathering, questing, story, dailies, achievements, exploration, etc. Pretty standard stuff.

    They're not that way in other games, too. People just make them out to be. It's weird, because we keep hearing the logic of, "Well, you don't have to go that high into fractals." or "Well, Ascendant gear isn't that big of an upgrade." and yet a daily in WoW that gives 150 reputation and 12 gold is suddenly twisting your arm to the point of breaking.
    Don't know about Warcraft. But to one degree or another, dailies are needed to progress in many mainstream MMOs which are heavily stat driven. That really isn't so in GW2 at all.

    Like at a certain point X amount threshold of gear is needed in Aion, SWTOR, Rift, et cetera. Or at the least you are placing yourself at a disadvantage by not having that enchant or trinket.

    You sorta have no real advantage in GW2. I barely notice even having exotic gear. Everything is slightly meaningless/trivial.
    Last edited by Fencers; 2012-12-12 at 02:34 AM.

  11. #30551
    Don't know about Warcraft. But to one degree or another, dailies are needed to progress in many mainstream MMOs which are heavily stat driven. That really isn't so in GW2 at all.

    Like at a certain point X amount threshold of gear is needed in Aion, SWTOR, Rift, et cetera. Or at the least you are placing yourself at a disadvantage by not having that enchant or trinket.
    Well, aside from SWTOR I haven't seen a game where all the gear actually comes directly from the dailies. (Those bags were awful!)

    Typically in WoW you just do dailies for gold or reputation, and the reputation might get you some minor items that aren't actually part of a required (or even optimal!) upgrade path. I haven't bothered with farming dailies since they were introduced in TBC and managed to progress just fine. Yet people act as if their account is going to be deleted if they don't do all of them every single day and then get burnt out.

  12. #30552
    ANet has done a great job of getting rid of the bots (though I'm not too happy about the quadrupling of dye prices because of that). Here's a short update about the issue...

    Mike Lewis on the War Against the Bots

    In the month of November, we terminated over 34,000 accounts for operating bots in Guild Wars 2. Moreover, we have observed a serious decrease in the population of bots in the game – and so have you, our players. The number of bots reported every hour worldwide has dropped from more than 2,000 in October to a much healthier 20 as of this writing.

  13. #30553
    I find that funny since I've been reporting the same 3guys since release and they're still there... (i also found a new group of 4bots in ml who are ingame 24/7)

  14. #30554
    There are still bots around but I see a lot less of them.

    What I have been seeing lately are these gathering bots. They teleport from gathering node to gathering node. It actually makes it hard to report them since they go rather fast.

  15. #30555
    Guild Wars 2 has a trailer running before The Hobbit in some markets. Very smart idea. Here's a pic someone posted on Reddit...


  16. #30556
    I hope it's a better trailer than the one they released online, which was just weird and confusing and made me feel a little embarrassed to say I was a gamer. =)

  17. #30557
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    I hope it's a better trailer than the one they released online, which was just weird and confusing and made me feel a little embarrassed to say I was a gamer. =)
    It's supposed to be a lot better. As people said, the first trailer was a great one for The Secret World (which is now Buy to Play by the way).

    Edit - Here it is...

    Last edited by carnifex2005; 2012-12-14 at 07:45 PM.

  18. #30558
    So that trailer is actually a Guild Wars 2 commercial. Despite the limited focus on any individual screen, I kind of like what it's reaching for. Much, much better than that Live-Action ad for The Secret World they were running.
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  19. #30559
    So, does anyone have any tips or tricks for getting the better dyes? Prices in the TP are just stupid, 20g for Abyss ain't happening. I was going to try my luck with the rare unidentified grey dyes, but I heard that you're not even guaranteed a rare quality dye that way. Next I was thinking about the mystic forge and trying my luck with 4x, but what's the chance the resulting dye will be of higher quality than what I use?

    Also, are you not even guaranteed 2 rare dyes with the gem store dye pack? It's almost 5g for 200 gems now, so that doesn't seem like a great deal if it's not. :\

  20. #30560
    The "cheapest" is still using unidentified dies, one abyss will get you 182unid dyes. This isn't as much as it used to be with the 2s unids but it's probably still the cheapest.
    MF isn't worth it if you buy "cheap" dyes, you often get same quality dyes. Ofcourse if you combine unid+mf your return goes up a bit (if you sell the more expensive dyes anyway) but this requires a lot of effort/trouble for marginal gains.

    So if you take time/trouble into account the real cheapest is just buying the dye off tp.

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