1. #30561
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    I... don't... understand...

    There is this great (so much fun) Snowball-Minigame in there now - it get's removed after the holidays.
    There was this fun DOTA-style minigame in at Halloween - it got removed after the holidays.
    (and so on)

    and now we only have one (?) constant minigame in the game: Keg Brawl. It's fun. But why is it so alone?

  2. #30562
    Started a new ranger. I'd like to have it more of a melee emphasis.

    As an aside, I find it ironic that even though I don't like mmos that much that all I'm playing right now are mmos (GW2, DCUO, and Vindictus).

  3. #30563
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Started a new ranger. I'd like to have it more of a melee emphasis.
    Why?

    10characters sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meledelion View Post
    Why?

    10characters sigh
    Because spellcasters with staves and Warriors being the only heavy weapon melee wielders is a little bland? Rangers/Hunters (depending on the game) being so heavily, or in a lot of cases exclusively ranged isn't doing anyone any favors when the game was advertising to stretch out the professions a bit. Warriors using Longbows and Rifles. Elementalists (which I'm freaking terrible at) with double daggers play like nothing I've seen before, and Mesmers with Swords have a very cool and solid feel to them.

    While I can't speak for how Necro melee compares to the other Scholar professions, I can say that trying to melee Ranger felt like it was missing something. Not sure what, but something.
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    Well there are only two options if you want to be melee as a ranger, Greatsword and one handed sword. Greatsword is pretty good but I don't like the aesthetics of it. I'm trying to stick with the one handed sword (with dagger offhand) but I hate the 1 skill for the sword.

    I wish I had the same options as my GW1 ranger. I used a scythe and dagger ranger quite a bit, was a lot of fun. Not quite feeling it here though.
    Last edited by Doozerjun; 2012-12-16 at 02:15 AM.

  6. #30566
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    I can say that trying to melee Ranger felt like it was missing something. Not sure what, but something.
    A viable melee weapon is what Rangers are missing. I can go on (another) rant and explain in detail why you cripple yourself as a ranger if you use melee weapons. If anyone cares about the explanation I'll gladly write it out though
    (sorry for only partially quoting your sentence)

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    Anyone else splurge on mini quaggon?

    I'm happy I got him but it would be nice if he did something :/ like talk!~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    Well there are only two options if you want to be melee as a ranger, Greatsword and one handed sword. Greatsword is pretty good but I don't like the aesthetics of it. I'm trying to stick with the one handed sword (with dagger offhand) but I hate the 1 skill for the sword.
    The GS isn't all that good, to demonstrate this I'll compare it to other classes who can use it.
    War => great dmg+vuln+might and 2gap closers + cripple
    Gua => great dmg + reta +blind +2gap closers + cripple
    Mes => great dmg + might +vuln + gap creater (which you want)
    Ran => mediocre dmg + bleed + block=gap creater(which you don't want/criple (you must choose which one) + stun

    As you can see all other classes basically focus on dealing direct dmg and how to improve that and maximise uptime.
    The ranger however is a jack of all trades with conflicting skills some examples: Swoop (our "best" dmg skill) requires us to give up our gap closer, Blocking kicks people away while as a melee toon you want to stay close(you probably just want to block that 1 attack) ok you just blocked and kicked the foe away now he runs and u can't cripple him, you can use swoop but as I just said you probably used it to dmg already.

    Maul is nice the only issue is that most of it's dmg comes from the bleed which you can't stack with the greatsword, it's also only a 5% increase in dps (gets worse the more power/crit you have) vs autoattacking (if you don't count that every third hit does more dmg).

    I can do an analysis of the sword/x aswell but it's even more grim
    Last edited by Meledelion; 2012-12-16 at 06:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meledelion View Post
    The GS isn't all that good, to demonstrate this I'll compare it to other classes who can use it.
    I kept thinking maybe I was missing something with GS since I've seen quite a few rangers running around with one. It just didn't seem that great (har har :P) when I used it.

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    Yeah, I understand that the melee weapons are underpar for a Ranger. It doesn't matter though, I'm still using them.

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    It's one of the things I hate about seeing "fellow" rangers when in pugs. It seems like you do decent dmg but the moment you start to think about it and compare it to other classes you realise how bad it really is.
    The worst about this is that this counts for all weapons apart from 2 the axe and the shortbow.

    I don't mind people playing the way they find it "fun" but if you get in a pug with 4 of those people you're in for a ride. I also don't get why you'd be so stuborn as to say "I want to use this weapon on this class just cause I can!" I get the difference between Gua/War/Ran utility wise (or to what they bring to the table) but IMO you only need to choose between War/Gua since the Ranger only differentiates itself by having a companion (which is unreliable) and if having a companion swayed your choice towards ranger you might aswell grab a weapon that is "good".

    edit: I'm merely trying to state that I don't get peoples motivation. As I posted earlier Why? do you want to use the melee weapons so much? And if you really like the melee weapons what convinced you that Ranger would be the "best" class for this?
    I don't mean to insult anyone (especially not you Doozerjun)
    Last edited by Meledelion; 2012-12-16 at 06:57 AM.

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    GS for Rangers is a defensive Weapon, it's not supposed to outdamage other professions. No one talks about the evade, I love it and because of this I love GS on my Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maarius View Post
    GS for Rangers is a defensive Weapon, it's not supposed to outdamage other professions. No one talks about the evade, I love it and because of this I love GS on my Ranger.
    You mean the evade on the autoattack? The one where you have to cripple all your dps inorder for it to be controlable, that one?
    If i'm getting this right you're saying you like the melee nature of the weapon even though it's defensive, then what are you doing in melee to begin with? If you want a defensive weapon get a longbow, trait for max range and go shoot at people from the otherside of the world.

    An alternate way of looking at it (I hope you mean it this way tbh) is that you opt for a GS Ranger over a GS War/Guard since you like to specialise on being in melee doing "decent" dmg and still being able to survive thanks to the evade (and block).
    The issue with this line of thinking is that a guardian can do this aswell and while doing this also gives extra survivability to your team. Also the guardian does more dmg. To go even further in any decent team you don't need the evade, you have dodges/blind/aegis/protection to help you, this is why one of the most succesful dungeon teams is 2war,2guard,1mes.

    EDIT: this post came across a lot more hostile than intended, my apologies. I know you're simply answering my "why?" question from before.

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    Logged in today to find I was awarded the gear for the Karka event... To my knowledge, I didn't actually participate... but hell, Ill take the 20 slot bag and two non-soulbound exotics (9g chest and 3,5g pants).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meledelion View Post
    An alternate way of looking at it (I hope you mean it this way tbh) is that you opt for a GS Ranger over a GS War/Guard since you like to specialise on being in melee doing "decent" dmg and still being able to survive thanks to the evade (and block).
    The issue with this line of thinking is that a guardian can do this aswell and while doing this also gives extra survivability to your team. Also the guardian does more dmg. To go even further in any decent team you don't need the evade, you have dodges/blind/aegis/protection to help you, this is why one of the most succesful dungeon teams is 2war,2guard,1mes.

    EDIT: this post came across a lot more hostile than intended, my apologies. I know you're simply answering my "why?" question from before.
    well yes, other professions can do other things in a different way, that's the nature of the game. Wouldn't it be boring if everyone would only play optimized? I like to be able to stand toe to toe with my foes when I help my downed friends. I'm literally between the enemy and my ally. I can initiate the battle, switch to a crowd control pet and speedress my ally with the quickness utility.

    I just like the playstyle of Rangers in melee + the option to switch to a really good ranged weapon. Personally I don't care what other professions can do better or worse, that's just not me. I play the profession which is fun for me, not what is supposed to be better. I don't switch professions if another nerv is incoming, I just play on and focus on the things that are fun to do. Yes, I could play a hammer guardian and autocast skill 1 for perma-protections... it's just not fun for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maarius View Post
    well yes, other professions can do other things in a different way, that's the nature of the game. Wouldn't it be boring if everyone would only play optimized?

    I just like the playstyle of Rangers in melee + the option to switch to a really good ranged weapon. Personally I don't care what other professions can do better or worse, that's just not me. I don't switch professions if another nerv is incoming, I just play on and focus on the things that are fun to do. Yes, I could play a hammer guardian and autocast skill 1 for perma-protections... it's just not fun for me.
    I'm not talking about other things in a different way, I'm talking the same thing but better. In this case standing toe to toe with your enemies can be done and can be done better by a guardian also using the GS. You can initiate the battle, switch to another weapon/utility and safely rez a downed ally.

    The thing I'm wondering is: what do you like about GS rangers that you don't find in GS war/guardian/mes. The option to switch to a really good ranged weapon is there for mes/war without a doubt, guardian's scepter is actually pretty good for dmg aswell.

    I'm not talking about a class being better than another for x,y,z like you bring up the hammer guardian. What I am trying to find out is if you like GS (the weapon) why did you opt for a ranger? To me it seems like people level a toon are comfy with that toon and don't want to level another class even though the playstyle is very similar and better on another class.

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    Wait a second. Why would one need to create a new character to use melee weapons? Could you not like, just equip melee weapons on an already existing Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meledelion View Post
    The thing I'm wondering is: what do you like about GS rangers that you don't find in GS war/guardian/mes. The option to switch to a really good ranged weapon is there for mes/war without a doubt, guardian's scepter is actually pretty good for dmg aswell.

    I'm not talking about a class being better than another for x,y,z like you bring up the hammer guardian. What I am trying to find out is if you like GS (the weapon) why did you opt for a ranger? To me it seems like people level a toon are comfy with that toon and don't want to level another class even though the playstyle is very similar and better on another class.
    It's really easy to answer, I just like Ranger-Skills and Traits, I like how they do things other professions can probably do too.
    -) I like my pet, not because it's better/worse than minions, clones etc. but because I can command it in certain ways (attack/return, animalskill, revive,...)
    -) I love the shortbow. I love it because you can shoot through enemies and get rewarded for flanking the enemy.
    -) I love the Greatsword on ranger because it's not a offensive weapon but a defensive one. Easy leap-finisher + block + evade. Skill 1 has a decent synergy with quickness (which is aktive a lot of times, via. pet-swap + utility). Quickness is universal, good for killing and good for reviving.
    -) I love the trap-greatsword combos. It makes a condition-build very fun to play with GS. You want enemies to swarm you + you evade while they are burning to death while chilled and crippled. + leap-finisher for a good AoE heal + flameshield. Enemies are just melting away while I stand there evading, dodging (-> protection) and laughing at them.

    Everytime I enter a ranger-forum I wonder if they are talking about another game... I just have no idea why I should be worried. Just know that GS has other roles to play than pure dps.

  20. #30580
    So me and my brother is going to start playing, whats a good class for pvp? he will be a warrior, i was thinking either a necro, guardian maby a engineer or thief, hard time desiding all those classes looks fun. Dosent really mather if it's ranged or melee, i like both though i always like to use shield but not a must, btw do guardians use a shield in pvp or do they use a 2-hander.

    And do necros and engineers use pets/turrets in pvp or is that more for pve?, watched a few videos off necro pvp and they did not use pets.

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