There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who dont.
Well what do they expect, everyone's beaten the current content, they'll get like half those players back after the next patch. At least until they clear those hurdles.
600.000 subs is alot. Its a Huuuge amount considering that it is not lowering the maintainance cost of the game at all. It is gonna hit the design of the game directly.
I want to remind everyone that thinks 600.000 subs is just a small amount... that one of the greatest UNIQE design gaming project of all times - Eve online has been designed - maintained and is releasing free expansions for years with just 300.000 subs. See .... Blizzard just lost twice that amount of innovative design money to REALLY keep WOW going forward. They ignored it ... and they are paying the full price.
There is no wonder that we are seeing huge amount of previews of 4.2 and stuff coming from blues atm. And neither is it strange we are seeing another store mount ... They are trying their best to create a hype.... But its to late now. More and more ppl will unsub over the summer - Firelands will probably launch August - and Then we are in for the big game releases later this year. PPL will think twice before paying sub for playing 4-5 days a week for 3-4 hours per night considering that other time consuming games are launching as well.
Firelands will not save WOW.... It is cheap in terms of raid content. It has 7 bosses that need to be stretched out for probably 6-7 months for big % of the playerbase and thats simply not enough. Blizzard has lost alot of ppl for diffrent reasons during Cata - and the fact is that many of them will be gone for good in this expansion. Game has grown to stagnant over the past 2 years and thats not acceptable considering the huge playerbase. And 600.000 is a huge number... Even in a game played by millions.
Last edited by Duster505; 2011-05-10 at 11:14 PM.
Two things that came up in this thread resonated with me. The first was a comment about hardmodes. I think (and this is just my thought, I have no factual basis to back up my suspicion) that the majority of players are disappointed in hardmodes or have little drive to complete them. In Ulduar (when they were introduced) the heroic modes were inventive and often required special activation. The response was good. You didn't have to kill Yogg Saron to take on XT's heroic mode. In Icecrown they got substantially lazier and made heroic modes toggle-able by a player who had killed the Lich King. Kinda lame, considering that plenty of guilds that were stuck on the Lich King for a while could easily have taken on heroic Marrowgar/etc for farming better gear. But something of value was lost--variety.
Yes, variety. Now, instead of new items from heroic modes, we get the same loot tables, just with slightly better stats. Boring. On that note, where are the interesting proc-based weapons like Nibelung that devs said they wanted to include more of, going forward? Sure, we got Meteor Shard (heroic 346 dagger) but it's inferior to the other daggers at that level and breaks CC.
The other point that was briefly brought up and I have harped upon time and time again in various threads is the status of PvP and PvE in WoW. The developers try to please both PvPers and PvEers while still maintaining that they are the "same game" (Spoiler alert: THEY'RE NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN) when really all the PvPers and PvEers want, at the core of their requests, is for the two game styles to be balanced separately from one-another. Sure, they've finally started caving (with cc, warrior change, etc) but I feel like it's going to come too late when they finally bite the bullet (if ever) and just balance them separately. PvP and PvE are not the same game in WoW. They never have been. Even in PvP, arenas vs bgs vs "world pvp" are all three distinct types of play that require different things. To say otherwise is either naive or convenient (for lack of development resources). The constant tweaking of one to change the other, as well as, plain and simple, vast class homogenization, has hurt WoW in the long run and regularly confuses and confounds players who don't spend their time outside wow researching specs/throughputs/patch notes/whatever. My friend plays and I teach her things about her classes regularly, but it always upsets her (she's not a very good player, but she tries) to have to relearn her class on the more drastic changes.
Those are the two issues I believe are core in current game discontent. Raid difficulty (and creativity), and game balance. I don't think it has to do with "recycled" or "revamped" content--because let's face it, none of us liked leveling alts through 1-60 pre cata. At least now it's fast and, sometimes, fun.
Where I do agree with Nogard is in the observation that WoW lacks consistency in its development.
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If you're going to complain about the WoW community, first ask yourself: Have I been impatient with pugs? Do I let others carry me? Do I use hyperbole in my arguments, make sweeping generalizations, and say any opinions other than mine are wrong, even when presented data to the contrary? Do I mistake anecdotal evidence for unquestionable data? Do I assume that correlation = causation?
Be a part of the solution. Don't be the problem.
maybe they should stop rehashing old content because it obviously didnt appeal to a lot of people
Patch 3.0.2 - 10/2008
Patch 3.1 - 04/2009 (6 months; 1 raid with 13 bosses)
Patch 3.2 - 08/2009 (4 months; 1 raid with 5 bosses, 1 dungeon with 3 bosses)
Patch 3.3 - 12/2009 (4 months; 1 raid with 12 bosses, 3 dungeons with 8 bosses)
Patch 3.3.5 - 06/2010 (6 months; 1 raid with 1 boss, 3 mini-bosses)
Patch 4.0.1 - 10/2010 (4 months, 10 months if you don't count Ruby Sanctum fake content-patch)
Patch 4.1 - 05/2011 /7 months, 2 dungeons)
Faster content? I call shenanigans! Oh, and for those not aware WoW-3.0.2 had more content available (raids/dungeons) than WoW-4.0.1. In fact, this revamp'd dungeons we got in 4.1 are just to bring the content up to WoTLK launch levels... 7 months after. You understand why people are leaving now?
Edit: Typo on a date.
I do agree with you on hard modes. ATM BLizzard is forcing ppl to do heroic raiding. Big % of players dont like hard modes at all. Even if they add extra itemlvl for it. Its just not intresting. So what can Blizzard learn from it ? Alot - but are they ? I doubt it .. they seem to think they have stumbled upon the greatest idea to make raiding content (acording to themselfs) when all the numbers point to exactly the oposite. I doubt they will be changing this model at all... They might even take it further and add 3rd lvl to it rather than go back. That is scary tho...
Your points about PVP and PVE are correct. The game has always been affected by the two sides. It will always be like that. But right now BLizzard is creating another very simulare fight.... Fight between the Heroic raiders ... and the normal raiders. Just like with PVP and PVE - this fight can not be won with current design phylosophy. 1% of loudmouths will continue to shout that the content is to easy... and most normal players will just quit quetly...
Blizzard would like us to think that those 1-2% of the player base that have finished heroic raiding are those that have unsubed for now. But we know its not those ppl that have left... the are very much content with the game as it is... they are unique and are probably raiding with their alts.
Those that actually have left were not happy with the game in its current state. Nothing coming in the next 3-8 months is really gonna change to make those ppl more content. 7 bosses tuned for those done with heroic raiding ? Nah.. normal players will not come back for that. Weeks of daily quests worth 1 -2 purples (specially for tanks it seems)? Nope they will not be back for that.
Blizzard just got it horribly wrong. But it didn't happen in last 2-4 months.... It happened 2-3 years ago when BLizzard desided to starve WOW of any real innovation in terms of design - and moved it over to TITAN.
PPL know now what is in store for WOW. There really is no point spending next 2-3 years in this game doing the same things in a stagnant game. And players are realising it now - and thankfully - have desided to let the wallet do the talking.
Question is.. who will be buying the orginal game + the 3 expansions and paying a sub ... knowing the game is not really in full development any more ? Noone really... We are talking about a Hello Kitty project right now and the game could go downhill really really fast. Going from the best!! - to the most lame thing ever in matter of few months.
Firelands will not change that...
Last edited by Duster505; 2011-05-10 at 11:43 PM.