Question about my 10man's Holy Paladin

**Kadas** · 2011-05-13, 03:30 PM

Just want to clarify this, Crusader Striking when you can be HLing instead is bad. CS is a waste of mana and you don't get healing from it besides 1 Holy Power, so you would get 3 CS' to generate a WoG from the CS'. It's a waste of GCDs and mana, when you could be Holy Lighting instead, and proccing more Daybreaks for double Holy Shocks. There are times to use CS, like when you need another AoE heal NOW and so you do it to get another charge for your LoD, but the platform isn't really a good time to CS.

Wait we don't use LoD on the platforms? I use the hell out of it (including crusader striking on cd) and seems to work fine. Is this a difference in 10 mans or am i doing it wrong?

Deleted · 2011-05-13, 04:15 PM

I usually do fine on the platform with 4, I beacon a death knight and heal a shadow priest, while myself and the tank rely on self heals unless it gets dangerous. For the crackle on the platform it makes your job a whole lot easier if you use sacrifice on a dps (in my case the shadow priest while the death knight used Anti-Magic shell) and bubble yourself, it basically only leaves the tank to heal up after the crackle. As to whether he should be at 10% mana after healing the nef tank in p1, even with lag or poor gear he should still be able to keep a tank up without going below 50%. He should always use his mana CDs as he prepares to swim out of the lava and use Resistance Aura Mastery to keep the fire (and shadow) damage to as low as possible, with a radiance to get people stable if needed. In p3 if he heals the nef tank then he can Light of Dawn and radiance the raid to get people stable after every crackle, other than that, if hes healing the add tank, he should try his best to position himself in front of the tank so he is ready to cast a heal if needed without being out of range from the tank.

**thundercles** · 2011-05-13, 04:41 PM

Looking at his overhealing:
Divine Light: 27.6%
Beacon of Light: 14.2%
Holy Light: 13.6%

For the most part he is right about some talents like Protector of the Innocent being a overhealing culprit.
Usually you can disregard overhealing done by Beacon, Protector, and AoEs like Holy Radiance.

In this case however, the majority of this paladin's overhealing comes from Divine Light spam.

As others have stated, that's not necessarily a problem if mana isn't a problem. But if he's asking for innervates and running OOM during the fight then I can tell you with great certainty that his problem is over using Divine Light.

In a 3 hour long raid you pally judged only 117 times, and used Divine Plea only 13 times.

Both of those numbers are incredibly low. INCREDIBLY low. Those two abilities are his two primary means of mana regen and he barely uses them.

Also I notice that he NEVER uses Divine Protection, which should be glyphed and used lots and lots throughout the raid.

What I see:
A pally that doesn't manage his mana regen, mana use, or survivability abilities very well.

If people die because he goes OOM then it's this guy's fault.

You have every right to be frustrated with your pally healer, imo.

Deleted · 2011-05-16, 05:36 PM

Just a quick thanks too all those that have contributed to this discussion, raiding tonight will see what's changed.

Deleted · 2011-05-16, 06:01 PM

I havent read all the replys and if someone else suggested that,sry

1.First of all he dosnt have Gloves and Bracers enchants...i suggest getting eighter 50 spirit or 50 int(wich is better,but expensive) for the Bracers and 50 haste for the Gloves PS:he should use 50 haste on boots also
2.He didnt reforge his Chest and Boots(he should reforge that crit into spirit,and as soon as the Magmaw chest&Omnitron Boots drop,he should get them)
3.He should use 20 int 20 spirit gems into the blue socket bonuses not 40 int
4.He needs to remove 2 talent points from Blazing Light and put them on Paragon of Virtue

as for his playstile,i am too lazy to check WoL...but as a nef tank,he should always stay near the boss,smack him with his mace for mana,and use judgement whenver he cans,as much as possible...use Avenging Wrath in combo with Plea,use his Trinket his Arcane Torrent as soon as he gets at about 90% or so...and be sure he is not overhealing with divine light,and makes use of his Word of Glory,getting his Holy Power fast via Holy Shock or beacon healing(WoG costs no mana...its pro)

Deleted · 2011-05-16, 06:55 PM

He isn't doing so badly because of his overheal. Sure his Divine light is a bit over the top, but other than that overhealing is not the reason.

The reason is due to lack of judging, lack of cooldown usuage and lack of pots.

Sure he could tweak his build, sure he could finish off his reforging but that isn't the main reasons and won't really help him.

He mostly needs to judge more, use cooldowns better and pot.

**Sayl** · 2011-05-17, 05:50 AM