heroic chimaeron surviving p2

[zaneosak]

Is this fight based on RNG as much as it seems? We have been getting to p2 with our eyes closed forever now with many different group makeups and wipe anywhere between 0.5% and 10% every time. We hit p2 and our tanks usually get destroyed instantly.... maybe its unlucky with dodging but double attack stomps the first tank and then the next tank to get aggro is the Ret pally who isnt really a tank, he bubbles which makes our 2nd real tank get it , by that time the next double attack is queued and that tank pops every CD and usually dies or survives the Dbl attack and dies to next melee swing....

By the time our rogue gets aggro to do some evasion tanking most of the other dps are already dead, he says he is vanishing for part of his rotation so thats why he gets aggro last.

Any way to last longer with this makeup going into p2:

Blood Tank
Feral Tank
Ret Pally (Tanking breaks)
Resto shaman x2
Holy Pally
Hunter x2
Rogue
Fury warrior

[Deleted]

Push p2 during a Feud. We found that helps us heal the raid better and almost always enter p2 with 100% health.

Make sure your tanks have avoidance CDs/trinkets available as you enter p2, and preferrably have a tank without Break-stacks start tanking p2. He can survive several swings if he stacks CDs. Your Hunters can use pets with Intervene to soak swings. They lose dps but you gain at least 10 more seconds with all damage dealers alive. Your Holy Paladin can taunt just prior to the last massacres to get himself high on the threat table. That way he'll be first in line after the tanks, assuming your Ret Paladin uses Salvation on himself.

Do not try to kite chimaeron in p2, it's nothing but a waste of dps. Stand still and push numbers. Have your Hunters MD the Rogue and Paladins cast Salvation on everything that's above him on threat. You want him to be in aggro after the tanks + holy paladin are dead.

[Tartilus]

Your resto shamans can technically taunt as well with a Rockbiter Weapon + Unleash Elements Macro, though they can also each do ~5k dps for that phase if they're smart. Make sure they're throwing down their elemental totems and going to town. Also keep in mind that spirit link does heal during the last phase, so if you know a tank is going to die to the next hit, you can get the healers to stack on him and use Spirit Link to get his health up quite a bit.

Are you losing any bloodlust before p2 starts? If so, try to save all of it for p2. Every DPS also needs to be pooling CDs for this phase, along with potions. This is not a fight to have your trinkets, racials, profession abilities, etc. macro'd into your rotation.

You didn't specifically asked for this advice, but I'd also recommend just coming back later if you feel you're wasting too much time on him. It's a fight that gets ridiculously easier with gear, and we've found that Heroic Atramedes, Maloriak, V&T with a rogue, and Magmaw go down easier and more consistently, as well as having learning curves of only a day or two. The gear from other additional heroic bosses will make Chimaeron flop over.

[Arialla]

he says he is vanishing for part of his rotation so thats why he gets aggro last.

What? Tell him to knock that off.

[Deleted]

You have to push him to P2 when your raid has been healed up as far as possible, mostly to add time from Nefarian's damage.
But there's more you can do.

Hunter x2

What I used to do is taunt the boss a second before he hits P2. I'm on the other side of the room, pop Deterrence when he's going to attack me, I survive/tank for 5 secs, Feign Death and continue dps. Paladins can do this too afaik. Hunter pets can take agro too, make sure their Growl is on!

Your tanks can survive a lot, especially if they have RNG on their side. But most important, both your paladins, hunters and that freaking vanishing rogue should survive the initial attack and continue dps once they dropped agro. That should give you more than enough time to kill him during P2.

[Mudkiper]

You have two resto shamans, therefore, this is easy.

Tank the boss in the group and use Spirit Link totem when tank drops to 10%, tank is now at 90% and wont die for the duration of the totem, repeat with second totem, collect epics.

Can also get the holy pala to taunt at 40% or so, so if the tanks do die then he will die next = more dps time.

And you should be pushing p2 during a fued if your not already, stop dps at 25%, wait for fued, lust / AM, top group, push boss - transition is at 21%ish.

[Hadard]

My guild found that popping hero to heal up the raid to max before phasing helps a lot. Give it a try some time, also practice kiting!

[Deleted]

make sure all your dps are using potions of Tolvir when p2 starts 1200 agi does wonders for your individual dodge chances ( stre based dps can probably use stre flasts and stre stil gives parry rating and so stil useful) but tanks should be tolviring isntead of any other pot as it provides the best % increase to your avoidance as it's agi so has no diminishing returns.
also, have your hunters misdiret randomly onto your healers so they potentialy a healer will be higher on threat when p2 starts (also could have your holy pally run fury the whole fight and as chimy is almsot chain taunted shouldn't pull before p2) than some of your dps.
Also you can use spirit link totem to 'heal' people in p2 so if you place that early while it's stil on your tanks it can potentialy give them over 10k hp back which would give them the bileatron buff again so prevent the next attack kiling them outright (what actualy kils you in p2 heroic is melle attack -> 1 hp -> Nefarians shadow aoe ticks so having a spirit link will potentialy keep that tank alive a lot longer.

[Deleted]

1) Holy Pally aura mastery is very useful there
2) Don't bubble that Ret pally, let him die and Brez him at 100% HP with 0 aggro to keep wrecking the boss
3) Make sure your rogue is higher threat than your hunters so he can evasion tank, they have Feign Death it shouldn't be hard.
4) While you're at it have your hunters make sure they're lower threat than healers and their pets as well. Those 2 should have free reign to wreck the boss for all phase long.

[Zaquel]

What? Tell him to knock that off.

Assa rogues that knows what they're doing will use Vanish when to push more DPS. When you vanish, you get into stealth and when your stealthed you gain Overkill - 30% energy regen - so basicly.

vanish = 20 sec +30% energy regen for rogues.

thats brilliant.

[Polyamorous]

We were consistently wiping on 25m hero chim at around 5% until we decided to phase him outside of a feud. Just group up after a non-feud massacre, heal up fast and push him into phase 2. This leaves the machine online for the duration of the last phase, and makes him take at least 2 swings to kill every person, it actually gives you a lot more time and definitely made the difference for us.

[Mowg]

Assa rogues that knows what they're doing will use Vanish when to push more DPS. When you vanish, you get into stealth and when your stealthed you gain Overkill - 30% energy regen - so basicly.

vanish = 20 sec +30% energy regen for rogues.

thats brilliant.

Thing is P1 isn't a DPS race, so it really isn't necessary for him to pull out all the stops. Sure he won't be top of the charts, but it'll benefit the raid if he can gain enough threat to be behind the tanks (with the help of MD) and tank Chim in P2 asap, be the evasion tank and then vanish.

[Ayarea]

My guild found that popping hero to heal up the raid to max before phasing helps a lot. Give it a try some time, also practice kiting!

Yep that's how we do it as well, went from crap wipes to kills.

[Deleted]

In our first kill of heroic chimaeron all dps saved their cooldowns for p2 just for sure. In the start everyone used all cd's of course but not again until p2. This will decrease overall dps, but in p2 all dps you can get is crucial. We did wait feud after 25% and then push to p2 with full health. Tank moved chimaeron to one corner of the room and off tank runned to opposite side of the room. Our Holy pala used protection that chimaeron runned from MT to off tank, back an forth. Also Hpala used righteous fury while healing. So he was 3rd in threat-table. me as a mage used mirror images to tank 3 attacks aswell. Can't remember did someone else use something. But we didn't use spiritlink totem, killed chimaeron way before that came along.

There are rng in this boss. Our main tank (Feral druid) can sometimes dodge and survive so long that only he and our prot war will die.