The legendary staff recipient, a mathematical approach?

[Tahapenes]

From the proc's point of view: mage
From the stats weight value: mage

Uh, no. From a stat weight point of view, haste has high stat weight for Shadow Priests and Warlocks. Mages, otoh, rate Crit and Haste pretty equally. Since the staff is Hit/Haste, the stat weight says it would be far more beneficial in the hands of a Warlock or Shadow Priest cause they would get more out of the Hit/Haste than a Mage would.

[LaplaceNoMa]

Uh, no. From a stat weight point of view, haste has high stat weight for Shadow Priests and Warlocks. Mages, otoh, rate Crit and Haste pretty equally. Since the staff is Hit/Haste, the stat weight says it would be far more beneficial in the hands of a Warlock or Shadow Priest cause they would get more out of the Hit/Haste than a Mage would.

You're trying to ignore the hit rating part, aren't you

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Also it will have more INT than any other weapon I guess, which is good for arcane mages

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Also it will have more INT than any other weapon I guess, which is good for arcane mages

INT is good for every single caster, not just arcane mages.
It'll all depend on how the proc works before you can figure out for which class it is best.

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But an arcane mage in BiS gear gains ~5 dps with every point of intellect, while other casters get only around 3 dps.

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From the proc's point of view: mage
From the stats weight value: mage

Clearly not a mage...oh wait!

Also it will have more INT than any other weapon I guess, which is good for arcane mages

And all spellcasters except (Arcane) mages prefer agility?

You two made my day really.

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And all spellcasters except (Arcane) mages prefer agility?

You two made my day really.

That every caster benefits from INT more than from other stats doesn´t mean that every class benefits the same from INT.

[Tahapenes]

You're trying to ignore the hit rating part, aren't you

Nope, not at all. All ranged casters value hit/spi (for shaman, druid, and shadow priest) at the same amount, up to cap.

[shaft4783]

From the proc's point of view: mage
From the stats weight value: mage

yeah, this staff belongs in the hands of arcane mages

[RelentlessDruid]

Formula:
(Member's time in the guild (1-10))+(Member's ranking in the guild (1-10))+(How much the guild leader likes them(1-10))=Legendary Weapon Recipient

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Maybe it is easy to implement having two fire balls. I don´t know, I am not a programmer. I just thought, it could cause problems. They would have to asure that two of the same DoTs can be active at one target, while it is not possible to cast the DoT just twice, they have to asure that special mechanics like impact spreads don´t lose one ignite if there are two. Also two fire balls would be bad for fire mages because of ignite munching. I think there are lot of problems that could be caused by such a mechanic.

Ele shamans mastery does exactly this already. Not for their DoTs but I don't think DoTs will be too hard to implement from a programming standpoint. The reason they haven't is balance, not difficulty.

Im leaning towards the proc being a feedback effect dealing a damage hit equal to say the last 5 seconds of damage dealt. It seems to be a model blizzard likes at the moment (Vengeance - Blood shield etc). This would also balance the proc to all caster dps basically evenly. IE - Mage is doing 22k dps sustained over 5 seconds, staff procs after 5 seconds for 110k damage, shadowpriest does 23k sustained - procs to 115k etc. This would be balanced rather than basically copying the Ele shammy mastery for everyone.

If not... Arc mage will be very OP especially in PvP with this if it just copies the one spell each proc.

And you don't think duplicating the dmg of the past 5 seconds will be OP for PvP? Imagine and affli lock with dots on 3 targets at once, and all of the sudden one of those targets gets burst damaged equal to the last 5 seconds of all dots on all targets. Or frost mage 3 ice lance crits during Deep Freeze and then all 3 get their dmg rolled up and duplicated at the end of it.

[mupto]

who cares about legendaries that get replaced in 6 months when SWOTR is comming out soon!!! HOOO BOOO

[apepi]

Legendary=dps*class sustainability(not getting nerfed)*how long been in guild+how much the guild likes the person

[Psilar]

There's not much to "mathematically" determine. The legendary copies a spell and attacks your target with it. Therefore it would most likely best benefit classes with large single damage spell/attacks, e.g. mage and boomkin.

Not necessarily true. If it's PPM then yes.

If it's a % based thing than it should be pretty close.

If it gives you a buff that replicates any spells cast while under it....Much harder to tell.

[Deleted]

who cares about legendaries that get replaced in 6 months when SWOTR is comming out soon!!! HOOO BOOO

People who think 6 months is a pretty long time, who want to have an orange to show for their investment in this game, and who have followed every hyped up MMO that tried to compete with WoW in the past 5 years and have noticed the trend (hint: they all bombed).

[LaplaceNoMa]

Jesus Christ. 'All classes need int/hit'. Are you so bad, really? Do you not know a single thing about STAT WEIGHTS?

Read EJ, at least once in a while. Check the latest SimC BiS profiles. Realize that this staff is 1.5 times more valuable in terms of scaling for arcane mages than for anybody else. And stop being SO retarded, please. When you're saying something like 'YEAH AND OTHER CASTERS PREFER AGI LULZ' you actually don't look so funny and the sarcasm isn't really appropriate. What you're doing by saying something like that is admitting that you know absolutely no shit about this game and, well, you definitely don't deserve any legendary until you at least learn something about theorycrafting.

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Jesus Christ. 'All classes need int/hit'. Are you so bad, really? Do you not know a single thing about STAT WEIGHTS?

Read EJ, at least once in a while. Check the latest SimC BiS profiles. Realize that this staff is 1.5 times more valuable in terms of scaling for arcane mages than for anybody else. And stop being SO retarded, please. When you're saying something like 'YEAH AND OTHER CASTERS PREFER AGI LULZ' you actually don't look so funny and the sarcasm isn't really appropriate. What you're doing by saying something like that is admitting that you know absolutely no shit about this game and, well, you definitely don't deserve any legendary until you at least learn something about theorycrafting.

Calm down big boy, nobody is out to hurt your precious mage feelings. The point is you can't give an item to one class over another based off of a primary stat that both classes value as their top priority. If you do that then by that logic you'll give every single piece of gear that has int on it to your mages before you give it to any other class. There is some merit behind awarding items based on the stat weights of secondary stats because those stats vary from item to item, you can't apply the same principle to intellect or spellpower without completely screwing over your loot system.

Yes arc mages scale best with int out of all the classes, mage scaling is just good right now. It's still stupid to give a legendary item (or any item imo) to someone just because of that. Give it to a player not a class.

[FrozenFlames]

If it woudl copy a spell and it would copy a dot, wouldnt that be useless? As there can only be one of the same spell dot on a target at one time?
If this is true, which is most likely, give it to class/specs without a lot of dots:
Elemental Shaman - Arcane / Frost Mage - Destro Warlock ?

[Culexus]

That doesn't make sense at all.
Options:
1 - It has an ICD and is more beneficial to have a dps with higher damage attacks use it as the proc is not likely to be wasted on a low damage spell.
2 - It doesn't have a icd and it is still more beneficial for a burst dps to have it. Why would you want to have 3 small damage spells proc over 3 large damage spells?

You stole my avatar !

[BuffaloSoldier]

What about smite healing disc priests i mean the int and sp on that thing alone would make their output huge and the proc allow them to achieve more dps