[Movies] The Hobbit (Possible Spoilers)

[Ron Burgundy]

peter jackson said in a interview that "he doesn't care about making a movie the world wants to see, he makes movies for himself."




die hard lotr fans will love the film. the rest will say 48 fps doesnt feel right and that its too long. fuck em.

[SirRobin]

The more time in Middle-Earth the better. This is a movie for the nerdy fans not the pretentious reviewers. They also bitched and moaned about the length of the LotR movies....so screw 'em.

Well all three movies are already made so it doesn't really matter a whole lot about how many like them. It could completely bomb and I'll still take the kids to them. I'm fine with seeing it in 48 or 24. I'm just not going to pay for the 3d nonsense. I did that with one movie and felt it was a complete waste of money. Kids wouldn't keep the glasses on and the "3d" didn't impress them when they did.

[Daverid]

Well all three movies are already made so it doesn't really matter a whole lot about how many like them. It could completely bomb and I'll still take the kids to them. I'm fine with seeing it in 48 or 24. I'm just not going to pay for the 3d nonsense. I did that with one movie and felt it was a complete waste of money. Kids wouldn't keep the glasses on and the "3d" didn't impress them when they did.

Well the main filming is done so it's unlikely that any big sequences are going to change dramatically, and the story is certainly nailed down tight. They did go back and do some re-shooting for ROTK and TTT, so I'm sure if they decide a scene or few isn't working out exactly they will change bits and pieces but nothing dramatic will happen. In the end it doesn't matter what the reviewers say, the wheels are in motion, the scripts are finished and filmed. So now we just await our viewings and based off what I've read in some of the more nerdy corners of the internet, people who actually are LOTR geeks and not just random reviewers, it's going to be absolutely fantastic.

I didn't even realise that some people can't see 3D or get Headaches/Motion sickness from it till like a month ago when someone was talking about not wanting to see The Hobbit in 3D. Learn something new everyday eh? Frankly if you've got kids I think not seeing in 3D is a wise choice, but perhaps 48 wouldn't be so bad. Kids are able to comprehend that kind of crazy, fast moving action stuff really well, so in 48 Frames they'd probably have an easier time keeping up with it then alot of adults IMO.

However that being said, if what PJ has stated is anything to go by (But he's probably biased in this case), 48 Frames is supposed to Vastly improve 3D. It's why 3D works so well in games, because the higher framerate just creates a much more seamless and beautifully moving environment for the 3D to work in, and that's what I'm imagining will happen in The Hobbit.

[Bigbazz]

I watched that 48fps clip, it hurt my head. Everything is so crisp and smooth and clean/fast it's really strange, I'm not sure if I dislike it but I almost think it might give me a headache if I have to sit there watching it for 3 hours. It certaintly doesnt have that artistic "film" sheen to it, looked really bizarre. Anyway, none of the cinema's round here actually have 48fps supported so I will be watching in 24fps.

As for 3D, i've never seen a movie in 3D before. Not sure If it's really going to be my cup of tea, we have a 3DS Nintendo here and usually the 3D slider is just turned off, it fries your brain quite fast.

[Badhairday]

I watched the 48fps trailer someone made, and I really enjoyed it. But I loathe anything 3D (could work with 48fps as PJ said, tho).

But of course, the cinema I'm going to only has 24fps and 3D.

[conscript]

I watched the 48fps trailer someone made, and I really enjoyed it. But I loathe anything 3D (could work with 48fps as PJ said, tho).

But of course, the cinema I'm going to only has 24fps and 3D.

I really need a better office computer that can actually manage to download and run that trailer.

I watched the entire GG's video in your signature. Man Korea does such a better job of girl bands than the US and UK. Our dynamic usually only includes 1-2 girls who are "the hot one." That is literally the entire dynamic of Girl's Generation. They are all ridiculously cute. I spent the whole video trying to figure out who was the hottest and the answer was all of them.

[Markluzz]

Here is something I found that's a little fun to read, it was an imdb user's review of the hobbit, I know it is not a truly serious review, but it made me laugh at how overblown it is.

"Some love stories are built on passion, some on courage and some on hope. Very rarely do you come across a love story that encompasses itself around a journey. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey introduces us to the world of Bilbo Baggins, who mirrors the most innocent of sentiments which lie locked up within the depths of our heart. He wins us over in the first frame, because he is one among us. It is not his heroism which makes him surreal, but his vulnerability which makes him endear-able. The audience falls in love with Bilbo because he is scared of the unknown just like us. What makes him a hero is his conviction and spirit, which makes him embark on a wide-spread journey for the search of love and faith. It is somewhere in that journey, that you no longer root for Peter Jackson and his victory, but for Bilbo and his belief, which makes The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey a winner right from the opening credits.

His name is Bilbo, Bilbo Baggins. Brought up in an unforgiving society, Bilbo battles the alternate evils of racial profile and scornful peers with equal focus, trying to make sense of the world that burns homes, bullies people at school and make a false show of sympathy. He goes by the doctrine of Gandalf the Grey, who teaches him that there are two classes of people in the world, those who are good and would offer a lollipop and those who are bad and would point a sharp stick. There is no caste, creed or religion but just people who shape the world. It is this philosophy which Bilbo carries forward in his love and faith, painting his journey in a collage of alternate light and dark emotions, shadow plays of human nature which guides him to the world or perhaps, guides the world towards him.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is appreciable because of its brilliance, acceptable for its nobility and unquestionable in its integrity. Peter Jackson weaves in a tale of love, faith, strength and humanity within a cinematic frame of timeless minutes pulling out a riveting and compelling human drama of innocence poised against the system, through the filtered sensibilities of a patient suffering from the effects of an enchanter's ring, one who cannot understand the world, but love it enough to change it. The keynotes of each frame, drenched with subtle social comments and complex emotional undertones makes the movie an amalgamation of the colors of hope and persistence, with layered textures of unspoken bonds. With Bilbo, Jackson succeeds in bringing the system on trial through the eyes of one who cannot bias himself on any ideology, making his emotions pure and though provoking, which touches the innermost chords of the heart, moistening the eyes and serenading the senses.

The story is filled with emotional subtexts which move at breakneck speed throughout the length of the film, constantly switching gears between the palettes of emotions. The dialogs exude class and confidence holding grip of the story yet laced with the finesse that allows for emotional drama combined with spiritual uprising, casting a satire on the entire system and its treatment of identities. The script penned by Fran Walsh is one of par excellence, allowing the audience to blend into Bilbo through his smiles and tears , laugh in his joy and cringe with every blow dealt to him. The screenplay drops hypocritical moral ambitions to make scathingly relevant comments on modern outlook of the world, making it rise several notches above anything attempted in modern-day Hollywood.

In the end, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey becomes the experience it is because of Bilbo and Gandalf, essayed flawlessly by Freeman and McKellen. Freeman exudes the spirit of Bilbo in every breath and pulse of the film, putting in a performance that is beyond any benchmark of excellence. He controls every single emotional nerve of the audience with vacant stares and dimpled smiles, towering like an illusionist conjuring up a magical performance of a lifetime. He breaks every stereotypical mould attached to him to rise like a phoenix from the ashes with Bilbo , who reigns over the audience in a sweeping wave of emotions, establishing a bond that scales beyond the arc-lights of the 70mm screen. He is complimented by Thorin whose very presence lights up the entire room with just a flashing smile. He balances the sensitivity of love and charm with the emotional conflict of a ravaged heart with effortless poise. The interactions between Freeman and his merry company form the highlights of the film, filled with the cackling chemistry of a uninhibited passion, captivating the audience in the mesmerizing spell of the couple. Elijah Wood as Bilbo's nephew delivers a matured and restrained performance while Hugo Weaving as Eldron blends in simplicity with sensibility in a performance that comes straight from the heart. Benedict Cumberbatch is exceptional as the young Sauron in his mannerisms while the supporting cast all deliver credible performances including Ian Holm in a dazzling cameo.

There will always be movies that enchant us with their magic, but there will hardly be a journey that goes beyond cinematic borders to deliver the experience of a lifetime. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is undoubtedly the new face of global cinema that enthralls with each passing frame, healing the hidden scars of the heart with its message of a better and humane world. There might be superheroes, but there will never be one Bilbo Baggins, who takes pride in being ordinary and yet changes the face of his world.

Earlier time scales used B.C. and A.D. to mark important events. After 14th December 2012, the scales of humanity would mark the world before and after the release of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.

My Rating- 10/10 (Exceptional!!)"

[Badhairday]

I really need a better office computer that can actually manage to download and run that trailer.

I watched the entire GG's video in your signature. Man Korea does such a better job of girl bands than the US and UK. Our dynamic usually only includes 1-2 girls who are "the hot one." That is literally the entire dynamic of Girl's Generation. They are all ridiculously cute. I spent the whole video trying to figure out who was the hottest and the answer was all of them.

They really do, indeed. I have a really hard time with western pop music, but I love it when it comes from Asia. And yes, the answer is "all of them"! :>

OT: 6 hours and 30 minutes to go, can't wait much longer! D:

[Everything Nice]

22 hours 38 minutes until I get to see it

[Baekhyun]

22 hours 38 minutes until I get to see it

Add another 3 hours and you have me.

This wait is killing me, and I have tests and stuff for school due tomorrow :c

[theturn]

Oh yea, I'm not sure if this was ever posted here in the Forum ... But there's alot of Stupid videos on youtube and shit where they simply just double the speed of the trailer and say it's a "48FPS Example"... However this here is a much better representation of what it will look like.

http://www.lukeletellier.com/?portfo...ailer-to-48fps

It's still not exactly what it will look like when it comes onto the theater screen, but this chap has done a proper post-conversion and it gives you a much better idea of what the film will look like.

That's the second time I have seen an example of that and I've like it both times. Yeah it does look weird at times but I'm sure when I sit down and see it for 2 hours the weirdness will go away. Im still going to see it in 24 fps since the theater closest to me doesn't have the machines for 48 but I will see it again at 48 just so I can say I did. Really the fps isn't going to have an effect on my feelings of the movie.

[Wilian]

30 minutes to go 'til it's time to go and see how well it worked out! \o/

[Shinzai]

I think I've decided on going to see it in 48fps first. Then Imax 3D second time now. I like the 48fps appearance myself, it's strange, but you can just see so clearly what's happening that it seems worth getting used to in my opinion.

[Badhairday]

30 minutes to go 'til it's time to go and see how well it worked out! \o/

I'm off in 30 minutes myself! Can't honestly say I was this hyped for any of the lotr movies, simply because I wasn't a Tolkien fan before seeing those, even if I did love them instantly. It wasn't until I saw all three that I began reading/re-reading lotr, silmarillion, unfinished tales etc. I had read The Hobbit before watching LotR, so I recognized a few characters.. but that's about it.

30 longest minutes of my life, I kid you not. D:

[melodramocracy]

As for 3D, i've never seen a movie in 3D before. Not sure If it's really going to be my cup of tea, we have a 3DS Nintendo here and usually the 3D slider is just turned off, it fries your brain quite fast.

3d movies are like listening to 5.1 music. Neat for a few minutes, rather annoying for anything after that.

[det]

I am excited, will see it in 24 hrs..what a long night that will be.

But reading some reviews I guess it is now cool to start hating on the films... C'mon, how can you say a movie is shite because of a new technology. I bet you laugh now about this:



It is about how Film with sound is stupid, unnecessary and spiritual and commercial murder. That's right folks Apparently it squeaks and ruins artists as well as hearing.

[Northy]

I am excited, will see it in 24 hrs..what a long night that will be.

But reading some reviews I guess it is now cool to start hating on the films... C'mon, how can you say a movie is shite because of a new technology. I bet you laugh now about this:



It is about how Film with sound is stupid, unnecessary and spiritual and commercial murder. That's right folks Apparently it squeaks and ruins artists as well as hearing.

What am I looking at?

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[Wilian]

So, the movie is over, I just came home and I have few first words of it. Some spoilers of course so skip the post if you don't want to (Who haven't read The Hobbit anyhow?).

When I went in I couldn't really tell what I was expecting from it as most of the trailers left me with feelings of a bit like "Meh" "Might work out" "That could be promising" and other assorted stuff.

All in all I can say now though. Amazing. Simply amazing.

The movie, when it followed the book driven parts, managed to capture adventurous feeling of the Hobbit extremely well and unlike LotR, there was no gross reshaping of characterisations nor missing scenes (Or added nonesense, fuck you elves at the Helm's Deep). Pretty much everything worked as it did in the book, including the names of the three trolls! And of course songs, lots of singing. And they managed to do that without feeling forced.
Those few scenes that were from the books and had deviations, mostly worked for the better in the end I would say, such as the stone giants. They did not play football in the mountains and the scene all in all was truly epic sight to behold. The orc chase scene did not quite fit though, which I touch in next paraghraph

The scenes that were not on the book and followed the expanded "universe" also worked really well most of the time (For example, reminiscin the battle at the gates of Moria) even though in some bits it did interfere with the main storyline a wee. (Azog hunting the dwarves on western side of Misty Mountains).

Scenes with Gollum was brilliantly excecuted even though from my counting they missed the riddle about fishes which is a sort of silly as it is referred in the Two Towers movie. They also managed to add the tragic element into Gollum's character when Bilbo was about to slice down onto him with the help of the Ring .

There are, however, some things which I found to be what I call typically "Peter Jacksonin' " of the movie. What that stands for is taking some things that would work just fine by itself and then creating over the top scenes or characterizations to fist in the point with a sledgehammer.

Radagast was one of these mistreated characters. While it did not suffer from polar shift of character (Looking at you Faramir and Theoden) the way he was presented was simply too much. Most of his scenes were just outright silly (Racing wargs with rabbit driven cart on no wheels? WTF Jackson, WTF). He did have few nice scenes but most of it should've worked off differently.

Same with some of the chase bits in the Goblin City. Parts of it as I feared, were closer to slap stick humour than suspension filled action but luckily those events were only few and didn't break the flow in the end.

Musics were a bit "bland" as lot of it were recycled. The few original bits sounded extremely good but were a bit overused by the end and then there was this one "wtf" moment in the end when Thorin and Azog were to duel and suddenly Nazgul theme started to play. It set the "feeling" of that scene off for me quite a bit.

Overall I find this movie to out-do all the LotR movies easily and is so far the best movie released this year and also in many years. I could always rant about the lack of characterization of most of the dwarves but I won't because 13 is ridiculous amount to flesh out on the screen, expesially in the case when they practically had no character in the book either, just a long list of names.

Technical side of stuff. 48 FPS. Amazing, pure eyegasms for entire movie. The clarity and smoothness is uncomparable to anything and after going 48 I don't see how I could watch 24 comfortably anymore.

3D worked out really well too. It was subtle and not blown into your eyes like a gimmick. Instead it was used to convey the atmoshpere, which it did really well.
Comparisation could easily be made with the pre-movie commercials which simply just abused the whole thing again and again.

[Northy]

So, the movie is over, I just came home and I have few first words of it. Some spoilers of course so skip the post if you don't want to (Who haven't read The Hobbit anyhow?).

When I went in I couldn't really tell what I was expecting from it as most of the trailers left me with feelings of a bit like "Meh" "Might work out" "That could be promising" and other assorted stuff.

All in all I can say now though. Amazing. Simply amazing.

The movie, when it followed the book driven parts, managed to capture adventurous feeling of the Hobbit extremely well and unlike LotR, there was no gross reshaping of characterisations nor missing scenes (Or added nonesense, fuck you elves at the Helm's Deep). Pretty much everything worked as it did in the book, including the names of the three trolls! And of course songs, lots of singing. And they managed to do that without feeling forced.
Those few scenes that were from the books and had deviations, mostly worked for the better in the end I would say, such as the stone giants. They did not play football in the mountains and the scene all in all was truly epic sight to behold. The orc chase scene did not quite fit though, which I touch in next paraghraph

The scenes that were not on the book and followed the expanded "universe" also worked really well most of the time (For example, reminiscin the battle at the gates of Moria) even though in some bits it did interfere with the main storyline a wee. (Azog hunting the dwarves on western side of Misty Mountains).

Scenes with Gollum was brilliantly excecuted even though from my counting they missed the about fishes which is a sort of silly as it is referred in the Two Towers movie. They also managed to add the tragic element into Gollum's character when Bilbo was about to slice down onto him with the help of the Ring .

There are, however, some things which I found to be what I call typically "Peter Jacksonin' " of the movie. What that stands for is taking some things that would work just fine by itself and then creating over the top scenes or characterizations to fist in the point with a sledgehammer.

Radagast was one of these mistreated characters. While it did not suffer from polar shift of character (Looking at you Faramir and Theoden) the way he was presented was simply too much. Most of his scenes were just outright silly (Racing wargs with rabbit driven cart on no wheels? WTF Jackson, WTF). He did have few nice scenes but most of it should've worked off differently.

Same with some of the chase bits in the Goblin City. Parts of it as I feared, were closer to slap stick humour than suspension filled action but luckily those events were only few and didn't break the flow in the end.

Musics were a bit "bland" as lot of it were recycled. The few original bits sounded extremely good but were a bit overused by the end and then there was this one "wtf" moment in the end when Thorin and Azog were to duel and suddenly Nazgul theme started to play. It set the "feeling" of that scene off for me quite a bit.

Overall I find this movie to out-do all the LotR movies easily and is so far the best movie released this year and also in many years. I could always rant about the lack of characterization of most of the dwarves but I won't because 13 is ridiculous amount to flesh out on the screen, expesially in the case when they practically had no character in the book either, just a long list of names.

Technical side of stuff. 48 FPS. Amazing, pure eyegasms for entire movie. The clarity and smoothness is uncomparable to anything and after going 48 I don't see how I could watch 24 comfortably anymore.

3D worked out really well too. It was subtle and not blown into your eyes like a gimmick. Instead it was used to convey the atmoshpere, which it did really well.
Comparisation could easily be made with the pre-movie commercials which simply just abused the whole thing again and again.

Everyone I know who has seen it (non-Americans cuz it's out Fri for us) claims it's a masterpiece. Bitch all they want about 48fps, the movie itself is phenomenal.

[Daelos]

So I just saw the movie, and well.. it was okay? Sure, the visuals and the music were perfect as always, just as expected, but otherwise it could have been better. It's been a long while since I read the book, but in my opinion there were many things added to the story that could have been left out, but I guess the first part of the book wouldn't have been interesting or action-packed enough to make it to a film without adding anything. About Azog (who was basically the villain in the movie), how did he appear in the book? As far as I remember he didn't play such a big role as he did now in the movie. Also, I think the golems turned into stone just because Bilbo stalled them long enough in the book, not because Gandalf came out of the blue to save the day. There were some other things too that I thought were changed, but I'm not completely sure because I haven't read the book in a while.
There could have been more focus on the different personalities of the dwarves, there were 13 but only a few had really any lines or role in the first movie. Martin Freeman did a fine job as Bilbo, although the character development seemed kinda weird; I didn't really feel that Bilbo really missed his home or was lost in this new, scary environment, this was better executed in LoTR-trilogy. Fine job by the actor anyways, I knew like Freeman would make a great Bilbo as soon as they revealed that he would be playing him. McKellen was great as Gandalf as always, he still got it!
From the second part I'm expecting more focus on the Necromancer, because in the books Gandalf disappears from the company and I'm guessing that this is what Jackson is planning to do too. Really excited to see how they will handle that, I was actually more interested on that than the actual plot The third film has potential to be pretty damn epic, with Smaug and the massive battle (can't remember the name, the third battle or something like that), definately looking forward to it.
But overall, I think the movie could have been better. In my opinion they added a little too much stuff to make it more exciting for a casual filmgoer to watch, and there wasn't enough focus on the different members of the company. On the other hand, it really had that sense of epicness and adventure, alongside with occasional humor. There's a lot of potential in the last two movies however, so I'm definately looking forward to watching them aswell.