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  • Thorin Oakenshield

    55 34.81%
  • Balin

    21 13.29%
  • Bifur

    4 2.53%
  • Bofur

    8 5.06%
  • Bombur

    18 11.39%
  • Dori

    1 0.63%
  • Dwalin

    16 10.13%
  • Fili

    5 3.16%
  • Kili

    19 12.03%
  • Gloin

    8 5.06%
  • Nori

    1 0.63%
  • Oin

    0 0%
  • Ori

    2 1.27%
  1. #1021
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Yeah I guess I can see that if you had not read the books.
    Glad to hear. Just to make it clear though, I have read the books now, and I'm re-reading them now that a new (and correct) translation got printed. I do regret not reading them beforehand, but I was around 8 when the first movie got out. So I was totally absorbed by my childish fantasy (including the Hobbit).
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  2. #1022
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    The problem is that the Eye seems to be a new thing for both Gandalf and Saruman in FotR (movie).

    Saruman: Sauron has regained much of his former strength. He cannot yet take physical form, but his spirit has lost none of its potency. Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf. A Great Eye, lidless, wreathed in flame.


    So, in The Hobbit movie, Sauron should not have a physical form and neither should he look like The Eye. I wonder how he will look like. Maybe he will look like some cloud of darkness or a shadow?
    but he does have a physical form, he is the necromancer of dol guldar, (spelling) its just highly weakened, and the wizards don't know that he was the necromancer/back in physical form.

  3. #1023
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    The problem is that the Eye seems to be a new thing for both Gandalf and Saruman in FotR (movie).

    Saruman: Sauron has regained much of his former strength. He cannot yet take physical form, but his spirit has lost none of its potency. Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf. A Great Eye, lidless, wreathed in flame.


    So, in The Hobbit movie, Sauron should not have a physical form and neither should he look like The Eye. I wonder how he will look like. Maybe he will look like some cloud of darkness or a shadow?
    That's.. something I've never even considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    but he does have a physical form, he is the necromancer of dol guldar, (spelling) its just highly weakened, and the wizards don't know that he was the necromancer/back in physical form.
    Don't they find that out when they drive him away from Dol Guldur?
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  4. #1024
    Quote Originally Posted by Summerdrake View Post
    Saruman was searching for the ring before that meeting with Gandalf, he wants things to appear calm so he can search uninterrupted.
    Oh yes I get that... my point was that his comments felt more like a sledgehammer to me and I felt like he should have had more subtlety, especially considering that when he is revealed as evil it is a complete surprise to Gandalf and I find it hard to believe that conversation wouldn't raise suspicions.

  5. #1025
    Quote Originally Posted by Badhairday View Post
    That's.. something I've never even considered.

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    Don't they find that out when they drive him away from Dol Guldur?
    No, that is why he fled so he was not found out to actually be Sauron back in action.

  6. #1026
    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee View Post
    Oh yes I get that... my point was that his comments felt more like a sledgehammer to me and I felt like he should have had more subtlety, especially considering that when he is revealed as evil it is a complete surprise to Gandalf and I find it hard to believe that conversation wouldn't raise suspicions.
    I believe I read somewhere that Gandalf already suspected Saruman of wanting the ring. But the movies show that quite badly. In Fellowship Gandalf seems to be very surprised, and in the Hobbit he shuts his eyes the moment he hear Saruman talk behind him. :s
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  7. #1027
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    No, that is why he fled so he was not found out to actually be Sauron back in action.
    They did find out he is Sauron and attacked for that very reason.
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  8. #1028
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    No, that is why he fled so he was not found out to actually be Sauron back in action.
    Didn't Sauron fly at first when he thought his identity would be revealed, but then returned, only to have Gandalf come back again?
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  9. #1029
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    but he does have a physical form, he is the necromancer of dol guldar, (spelling) its just highly weakened, and the wizards don't know that he was the necromancer/back in physical form.
    He does have a physical form in the books. Gollum even says that his black hand only has 4 fingers. In the movie, as I quoted, Sauron is not able to take a physical form yet. If he wasn't able in FotR, he wasn't in The Hobbit either, 60 years before. Unless he has one in the movie but it gets destroyed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    No, that is why he fled so he was not found out to actually be Sauron back in action.
    Gandalf goes to Dol Guldur two times before the White Council intervenes. The first time, Sauron fled before Gandalf could see him. The second time, when Gandalf gets the map and the key to Erebor from Thrain, he confirms that the Necromancer is indeed Sauron. That'S why the White Council agrees to attack Dol Guldur.

  10. #1030
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    He does have a physical form in the books. Gollum even says that his black hand only has 4 fingers. In the movie, as I quoted, Sauron is not able to take a physical form yet. If he wasn't able in FotR, he wasn't in The Hobbit either, 60 years before. Unless he has one in the movie but it gets destroyed again.

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    Gandalf goes to Dol Guldur two times before the White Council intervenes. The first time, Sauron fled before Gandalf could see him. The second time, when Gandalf gets the map and the key to Erebor from Thrain, he confirms that the Necromancer is indeed Sauron. That'S why the White Council agrees to attack Dol Guldur.
    hes got a body though.

  11. #1031
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    He does have a physical form in the books. Gollum even says that his black hand only has 4 fingers. In the movie, as I quoted, Sauron is not able to take a physical form yet. If he wasn't able in FotR, he wasn't in The Hobbit either, 60 years before. Unless he has one in the movie but it gets destroyed again.
    I don't know much about the whole attack on the Necromancer, but that quote from Saruman, about Sauron not being strong enough to take a physical form, could that not have been in reference to their attack on him in Dol Guldur?

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    I LOVED the movie SO much, saw it last night with some friends.

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  14. #1034
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    hes got a body though.
    We don't know yet what is Peter Jackson's vision of the Necromancer. He may have a body and then it must be destroyed by the end of the trilogy, because Sauron has no physical form in Jackson's LotR. Or he may have none in The Hobbit, then his appearence will be kinda ghost-like or whatever.

    I could see a vaguely humanoid, smoky cloud of darkness with one fiery eye.That would be a good tie to LotR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee View Post
    Au contraire.
    Oh I understand there is other stuff going on. I just can't help but thinking the dwarves get, well, gipped. You've got a dozen dwarves taking a hike across half of Middle Earth to get their groove back and what happens? A hobbit uses one of the most evil artifacts in fantasy history to, well, cheat. That's what it is I bet. The ring seems like a cop out to me. Bilbo runs all around with it on and Sauron seems none the wiser. Frodo slips it on and Sauron is immediately all up in his business sending dead guys after him.

    History-wise Sauron was already on the move. The whole Angmar episode showed that. Yet somehow he remained oblivious to the ring's presence in this book? I guess that really never set right with me.
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  16. #1036
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    We don't know yet what is Peter Jackson's vision of the Necromancer. He may have a body and then it must be destroyed by the end of the trilogy, because Sauron has no physical form in Jackson's LotR. Or he may have none in The Hobbit, then his appearence will be kinda ghost-like or whatever.

    I could see a vaguely humanoid, smoky cloud of darkness with one fiery eye.That would be a good tie to LotR...
    just because sauruman said that doesn't make it true, hes a bad guy so he could have been lying to Gandalf.

  17. #1037
    Quote Originally Posted by SirRobin View Post
    Bilbo runs all around with it on and Sauron seems none the wiser. Frodo slips it on and Sauron is immediately all up in his business sending dead guys after him.
    Frodo had the Ring for years and years and years and wasn't afraid to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Frodo had the Ring for years and years and years and wasn't afraid to use it.
    Yes but I don't recall Frodo wearing it much. Bilbo wore it quite a lot in comparison.
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  19. #1039
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    just because sauruman said that doesn't make it true, hes a bad guy so he could have been lying to Gandalf.

    Why would he lie about that? Anyway, Gandalf also saw the Eye when he tried to take the Ring in Bag End.

  20. #1040
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Why would he lie about that? Anyway, Gandalf also saw the Eye when he tried to take the Ring in Bag End.
    Because Sauruman was a bad guy, why do bad guys lie, because they are bad guys.

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