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  • Thorin Oakenshield

    82 34.45%
  • Balin

    36 15.13%
  • Bifur

    4 1.68%
  • Bofur

    11 4.62%
  • Bombur

    22 9.24%
  • Dori

    2 0.84%
  • Dwalin

    27 11.34%
  • Fili

    12 5.04%
  • Kili

    30 12.61%
  • Gloin

    8 3.36%
  • Nori

    1 0.42%
  • Oin

    1 0.42%
  • Ori

    2 0.84%
  1. #1181
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarithus View Post
    So is that it? It's just to be commonly accepted that the next Peter Jackson movie is SUPPOSED to be utter crap because it's from a kids book?

    Consensus from people that like the movie:

    Kids book = free pass. It's okay that it was terrible.
    More like:
    We liked the book, and movie is following it closely, while adding things that happened in the same timeframe of The Hobbit that isn't explained in the actual novel (but in other works) so we get a bonus. And we like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Ah yes. But can you explain why they need him in the movie? Something about the battle of the 5 armies.
    Instead of having an army of unknown goblins we will have a leader we recognize from the earlier movies.

    Edit: If Bolg really shows up, I guess Azog is there as new Lurtz, in a way. Only he gets more spotlight.
    Last edited by Skinny Red; 2012-12-18 at 10:51 PM.

  2. #1182
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstorm View Post
    His son is, getting revenge for his father is the very reason the orcs and wargs are even there.
    So why is he there instead of his son when he's supposed to be dead? Doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm missing something.

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    Just the thread I was needing!

    So 3 of my well educated friends saw it before I could (still haven't) and they gave it a somewhat 6-7 out of 10.
    I know it's a trilogy and the story unfolds, but is it really a 6-7?

    No spoilers please, just rate it (subjectively, of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstorm View Post
    His son is, getting revenge for his father is the very reason the orcs and wargs are even there.
    Here is stuff about Azog and Bolg.
    Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
    Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
    Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
    And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.

  5. #1185
    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Ah yes. But can you explain why they need him in the movie? Something about the battle of the 5 armies.
    He creates a main villain and a sense of "something being out there to get them" while on the road for the first movie. Without Azog, things would have seemed much more... peaceful, in some ways I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Ah yes. But can you explain why they need him in the movie? Something about the battle of the 5 armies.
    A different orc leads the horde in the battle of 5 armies, so no he has no place there. It's simply better for cinema if you have a tiny plot giving more characterization beyond "random orc attacks yay!"
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  7. #1187
    Quote Originally Posted by Anathaema View Post
    Just the thread I was needing!

    So 3 of my well educated friends saw it before I could (still haven't) and they gave it a somewhat 6-7 out of 10.
    I know it's a trilogy and the story unfolds, but is it really a 6-7?

    No spoilers please, just rate it (subjectively, of course)
    I'd give it a 9.5/10, there's a reason I saw it four times! The 0.5 is because a few jokes are a bit cringeworthy. I expected it to be awesome, which it was, but I also expected that I'd feel that LotR still was better, which I think it was. But that's because I'm more into the darker epic trilogy than the children's book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    So why is he there instead of his son when he's supposed to be dead? Doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm missing something.
    Seems like PJ is trying to make it more "personal" to the protagonists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anathaema View Post
    Just the thread I was needing!

    So 3 of my well educated friends saw it before I could (still haven't) and they gave it a somewhat 6-7 out of 10.
    I know it's a trilogy and the story unfolds, but is it really a 6-7?

    No spoilers please, just rate it (subjectively, of course)
    I would give it about the same, maybe even an eight out of ten. I think of it like the first one for the last trilogy. Its laying the groundwork for the stuff that follows. Plus, to be honest, some parts I just didn't like. Too dark in this or that scene. Minor stuff really but they add up.
    Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
    Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
    Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
    And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.

  9. #1189
    Alright thanks for the replies everyone. It feels like they could have put Bolg there instead and his motive being killing Thorin to avenge his father.

  10. #1190
    (I was honestly hoping for a Dwarf to die so that I could find myself caring about what happened in the film.)
    And this right here is where it shows you have no idea what you speak of. He follows the book.

  11. #1191
    Well, I loved the movie and I love how it's following closely to the book. I call it a warm up movie, as it really gets going in the second and third movies.

  12. #1192
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    A different orc leads the horde in the battle of 5 armies, so no he has no place there. It's simply better for cinema if you have a tiny plot giving more characterization beyond "random orc attacks yay!"
    I thought I saw somewhere that Azog's son (Bolg) is planned to appear in the trilogy. So, it may be one of those "Azog dies from Thain, Bolg takes over leadership of the goblins and orcs starts the 'The Battle of Five Armies' in the last movie of the trio.

  13. #1193
    Quote Originally Posted by Anathaema View Post
    Just the thread I was needing!

    So 3 of my well educated friends saw it before I could (still haven't) and they gave it a somewhat 6-7 out of 10.
    I know it's a trilogy and the story unfolds, but is it really a 6-7?

    No spoilers please, just rate it (subjectively, of course)
    I rate it 10, but I think LOTR is the best movies ever made (yet), and I generally want more fantasy movies (something truly lacking, and nobody got the memo after LOTR it seems, besides The Dark Knight http://moviecriticassassins.com/essa...han-you-think/,) so take that as you want.

    We all have different opinions, apparently even more so when it comes to The Hobbit, although I think that is somewhat fueled by the critics not praising it to the skies like the LOTR trilogy, so people who didn't like LOTR all that much in the first place has become brave enough to express their opinion on The Hobbit.

    I don't see 6/10 as a justification, although my 1-10 rating system is based around 7 being a solid "good movie", 6 being a "just enough good to beat the bad overall", and 5 to be a "just bad enough movie to beat the good overall".

  14. #1194
    Random tip for people who haven't seen it or those seeing it again.

    I read a suggestion from another viewer to ignore the film during the Riddles in the Dark and literally closer your eyes. I will agree the scene was too light and let you see too much where it really should have felt more difficult to see. Riddles "in the dark" after all.
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  15. #1195
    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Alright thanks for the replies everyone. It feels like they could have put Bolg there instead and his motive being killing Thorin to avenge his father.
    Bolg is still going to be in the movies as stated previously, so he probably has a(nother) role to play.

  16. #1196
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstorm View Post
    I rate it 10, but I think LOTR is the best movies ever made (yet), and I generally want more fantasy movies (something truly lacking, and nobody got the memo after LOTR it seems, besides The Dark Knight http://moviecriticassassins.com/essa...han-you-think/,) so take that as you want.

    We all have different opinions, apparently even more so when it comes to The Hobbit, although I think that is somewhat fueled by the critics not praising it to the skies like the LOTR trilogy, so people who didn't like LOTR all that much in the first place has become brave enough to express their opinion on The Hobbit.

    I don't see 6/10 as a justification, although my 1-10 rating system is based around 7 being a solid "good movie", 6 being a "just enough good to beat the bad overall", and 5 to be a "just bad enough movie to beat the good overall".
    Actually a lot of the critics that praised LOTR are giving The Hobbit bad reviews. I think it's because they are comparing it to much to LOTR. It shouldn't be. It's based on a more lighthearted book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Alright thanks for the replies everyone. It feels like they could have put Bolg there instead and his motive being killing Thorin to avenge his father.
    That does seem like an odd choice of PJ's too. However, it may make a lot more sense once we see the next two movies.
    Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
    Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
    Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
    And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.

  18. #1198
    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    Random tip for people who haven't seen it or those seeing it again.

    I read a suggestion from another viewer to ignore the film during the Riddles in the Dark and literally closer your eyes. I will agree the scene was too light and let you see too much where it really should have felt more difficult to see. Riddles "in the dark" after all.
    While it sounds fun, that scene and Gollum's facial expressions are just too gold to not watch. But, he does hide during the riddle game at some point.

  19. #1199
    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Can you elaborate? It was ages ago I read the book but that Azog dude sure as hell wasn't in it.
    He's not in the book, it's just Jackson messing with several timelines and the overall lore so that he can justify stretching a 300 page book in to 3 movies. I was kind of hoping the characters would be better fleshed out. In the book they were pretty 1 sided and boring and Jackson had the chance to change that but judging by movie he didn't and probably won't. He seems more concerned filling up the run time with unnecessary/unnecessarily long scenes, such as the pale orc storyline, the long stone giant scene, the frodo cameo at the beginning of the movie, the list goes on and on. All this additions just lead to a poorly paced movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snore View Post
    Actually a lot of the critics that praised LOTR are giving The Hobbit bad reviews. I think it's because they are comparing it to much to LOTR. It shouldn't be. It's based on a more lighthearted book.
    Personally I'm not sure where the bad reviews are really coming from. While I wasn't blown away, it wasn't a "bad" movie by any means.
    Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
    Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
    Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
    And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.

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