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  • Thorin Oakenshield

    65 34.21%
  • Balin

    29 15.26%
  • Bifur

    4 2.11%
  • Bofur

    9 4.74%
  • Bombur

    20 10.53%
  • Dori

    2 1.05%
  • Dwalin

    20 10.53%
  • Fili

    8 4.21%
  • Kili

    22 11.58%
  • Gloin

    8 4.21%
  • Nori

    1 0.53%
  • Oin

    0 0%
  • Ori

    2 1.05%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Well, The Hobbit overall was a significantly inferior book to lotr, in a number of areas. It wasn't even something that he meant to take seriously, and in fact went and changed one of the key scenes in it to fit into lord of the rings after his publisher turned down the sketches for the Silmarillion.
    It's not nearly as dark, all the singing (well I guess there was some in LOTR too) really got to me.

    Surprised right? That's one of the few books I actually have read, and damn was it a hard read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    I've seen it twice so far! And if I had the funds it would be even more than that... loved every bit of it.
    You have a better constitution than I. The first hour and a half is really taxing on my patience :/
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    the whole azog sub plot didnt make u guys cringe? it wasnt even in the book
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    It's not nearly as dark, all the singing (well I guess there was some in LOTR too) really got to me.

    Surprised right? That's one of the few books I actually have read, and damn was it a hard read.
    Ya, I'll agree that The Hobbit is overall a lot more fluid and easy to read. He didn't put a lot of his heavier lore or ideas in until lotr and his supplementary/unpublished works.

    You have a better constitution than I. The first hour and a half is really taxing on my patience :/
    When you can make it through books 8-10 of the Wheel of Time without ragequitting, you have the patience of a saint.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    the whole azog sub plot didnt make u guys cringe? it wasnt even in the book
    Not really. It has background from the book, and it added several features to the movie that were overall enjoyable. It's more coherent to see an orc leading an assault against them than random attacks here and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    I've seen it twice so far! And if I had the funds it would be even more than that... loved every bit of it.
    I only paid for my ticket once, though ^^ I went to see an old friend which wasn't cheap, so he paid for the tickets!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Not really. It has background from the book, and it added several features to the movie that were overall enjoyable. It's more coherent to see an orc leading an assault against them than random attacks here and there.
    I agree completely with this. At first I was a bit surprised and didn't know how to feel about Azog, but after seeing the end and then rewatching I certainly felt that the character added a lot to the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    - talking trolls and goblin king ruins the mystery aspect of middle earth. (can u imagine balrog talking to gandalf? that would've ruined the entire scene)
    While the trolls and goblins are supposed to be a peril and you should be a little concerned with the situations, they are nowhere near the level of the Balrog. A Balrog is an ancient evil that most people don't even know anything about. If Jackson had made the trolls and the Goblins more on the level of the Balrog, THAT would have been a huge issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    One of the change I didn't like was Mirkwood. It was supposed to be already corrupted and called Mirkwood when the wizards arrived in Middle Earth about 2000 years before the story. It is even implied in the Silmarillion that the darkening of Greenwood-the-Great was what prompted the Valar to send the Istari in the first place.

    Same with the Ringwraiths. In the movie, it is said that the Witch King died in Angmar and was buried deep in a tomb locked by a spell. The White Council is surprised to learn he lives again and recognizes the blade Gandalf brought as a Blade of Morgul. It is implied the Necromancer brought him back from death. It goes against what we know of the Rings and their effects. The bearers of the Nine never died, but were turned into the Ringwraiths. The Witch King was already a Nazgûl when he was ruling over Angmar. He was then beaten by an army of Men and Elves and fled to Mordor, where he laid siege to Minas Ithil, which became known as Minas Morgul. If, in the movie, the Witch King was buried all this time, when did he take Minas Ithil where he could forge blades of Morgul?
    Both those points bothered me some as well. I am sort of curious about how they are going to handle everything with the Necromancer and the Witch King (since they seemed to indicate he is around already even though he isn't in corporeal form yet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    watch the fellowship of the ring again and tell me the goblin king felt completely silly
    Without a strong leader the likes of Sauron, Saruman or Nazgûl, the Orcs or Goblins are nothing more than roving bands of thieves and plunderers. They have no strong structures, no discipline and tend to fight among themselves. They are not as fearsome as the orcs we see in LotR and can more easily be dispatched. The Great Goblin is more like some sort of mobster than a warchief. He is just as chaotic as any orc, and yes, a little silly and erratic with a dark sense of humour.

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    I can't help but find it fascinating seeing people reacting to the Hobbit after they've seen the LotR series, with the mind set that it shouldn't have anything to do with Middle Earth, or that it's not dark enough/out of place etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzai View Post
    I can't help but find it fascinating seeing people reacting to the Hobbit after they've seen the LotR series, with the mind set that it shouldn't have anything to do with Middle Earth, or that it's not dark enough/out of place etc.
    Well, my argument that I used against Return of the King (too much unlike the book) at least isn't applicable to The Hobbit. It was pretty damn close to the book, the only problem is that it's my opinion that this particular book would make a much more difficult movie to watch than other Book -> Movie scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    you honestly werent let down by the movie?

    i mean i still enjoyed it. but it didn't come anywhere close to lotro. it has nothing to do with the childrens vs dark aspect. its how the film was made.
    I enjoyed the Hobbit. Still love the LotR movies more. But it is kinda unfair. They are more mature, more epic (because the books are) and should have been produced after the Hobbit. Will however shell out amazing amounts of money for the ultimate Hobbit / LotR six pack on bluray, recut, reassembed with oodles of extras. In 2015.
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    but to be honest the similarrion has the potential to be better than the hobbit and lotro combined.

    morgoth anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    but to be honest the similarrion has the potential to be better than the hobbit and lotro combined.

    morgoth anyone?
    but its written like a history book it would be boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    but its written like a history book it would be boring.
    the history and flash back bits were some of the best parts in lotro and the hobbit...just sayin...

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-10 at 05:27 AM ----------

    i wonder how peter jackson would implement this in the movie



    btw thats morgoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    but to be honest the similarrion has the potential to be better than the hobbit and lotro combined.

    morgoth anyone?
    It's really, really unlikely, but it would be great to see some of the individual story arcs fleshed out and adapted for film. Seeing Morgoth in action against Fingolfin would be fantastic.
    I'd like to see The Children Of Hurin on screen, but the romance is probably a little too unorthodox for the family audience it would likely be targeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    btw thats morgoth
    Isn't that Ungoliant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    but to be honest the similarrion has the potential to be better than the hobbit and lotro combined.

    morgoth anyone?

    That book is just crap. And no, The Hobbit wasn't a letdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    but to be honest the similarrion has the potential to be better than the hobbit and lotro combined.

    morgoth anyone?
    The Silmarillion is way too long and has too much characters to make a movie out of it. They could take one story from the book like Beren and Luthien or The Children of Hurin. In fact, a movie of The Children of Hurin could be more captivating than that dry book Christopher Tolkien wrote. I was so disappointed. It was like reading a chapter from The Silmarillion, only longer, as verbose and with barely more dialogues. I mean, they could have done so much more with that story if they gave it to a decent writer.

    Anyway, don't expect a movie from the Silmarillion soon. At any rate, Peter Jackson won't be doing it. The Tolkien Estate is not overthrilled by his work (although they should be happy with the money they make out of it). Such a project would mean years of negociations with the Tolkien Estate.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-10 at 12:43 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post

    btw thats morgoth
    That little man in the bottom right may be Morgoth. This is Ungoliant.

    This is Morgoth.

    Last edited by Frontenac; 2013-01-10 at 05:43 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howdyho View Post
    That book is just crap. And no, The Hobbit wasn't a letdown.
    I'm guessing you didn't get through the beginning of it. either that or shit taste

    Please don't abuse spoiler tags and insult people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Lets say you have a two 3 inch lines. One is all red and the other is 48% red and 52% blue. Does that mean there's a 50-50 chance they're both red or is the second line matching the all red line by 48%?
    ^^^ Wells using an analogy

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    Quote Originally Posted by xylophone View Post
    I'm guessing you didn't get through the beginning of it. either that or shit taste
    While I don't like to call other people's opinions/taste wrong, the fact that there could be anyone enjoying Tolkien's work enough to read Silmarillion fully and NOT liking it would blow my mind. So I kinda agree with you. I knew it would be one of my favorite books even before reading half of it. But I won't re-read it for years due to how it's written.
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    im actually kind of surprised by the blind approval of the hobbit movie from the tolkien fans.
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    ..Huh? I loved the movie and you didn't, just because I, and others here who loved it, happen to be Tolkien fans doesn't mean that it's blind approval. I love Batman but I thought the Dark Knight Rises was pretty shit.

    Also, there's a couple of posters in here that shared their opinions about things they didn't like and they do seem to be Tolkien fans, seeing how they know a lot of the lore outside of the movies and hobbit/lotr books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphan View Post


    Isn't that Ungoliant?
    spider is. morgoth is the little man
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