[Megathread] Skyrim Discussion

[Tarien]

Random question--is getting Skyrim for the PC a grossly better investment than getting it for console?

I'd say so. Cheaper, easier to fix bugs, moddable.

[unholytestament]

Not really. Get the mod Build Your Own Home, that's about 70% of the content of Hearthfire right there. It's better in some ways (more modular and redesignable with a mix-and-match interior decor, more interactive in its construction, has an admittedly shallow story), and worse in other ways (only a single location you can build on, construction materials can be a pain to get), but all-in-all it's just about as good. And free.

As for the remaining 30% of Hearthfire, that's the whole family deal. There are mods out there that do that too, but I haven't used any so I couldn't tell which is the best one. Names off the top of my head that you might want to check out are Give A Dog A Home, Spouses Can Live Everywhere and/or Adopt A Child.

The only real selling points of the mod over the DLC are that the mod is free, some of the decorations are very well put together (as in, it doesn't use the default "put a pot on a plate on a side table", it actually mashed up the vanilla graphics of things to make some impressive looking stuff), and the hidden lair (some of them are very, VERY nice). However the mod has a lot of downsides to it.

-The house itself is tiny and cramped (with the exception of the secret room, which is easily the same size as the house but you have to go into the basement and through a secret door in a book case to get to it).
Seriously. Breezehome is bigger.
-You don't get to build decorations, you build a theme.
In the DLC you get to build each shelf, each stand, each table, and so on. Even though they're all automatically placed, through trial and error you can pick and choose to have the decorations you want. But with the mod you just pick a theme and then all the decorations are placed. But, as I noted above, some of these decorations are pretty nice looking.
-Respawning pets.
Imagine my surprise when I had some bunnies and a fox randomly running inside my tiny house. I don't recall them being mentioned, but I was especially annoyed when they respawned after I deliberately killed them because them banging into stuff and the fox growling was getting annoying.

Is Hearthfire worth 5 bucks? Probably not. But will people PLEASE stop playing up the Build Your Own House mod? For a free mod it's pretty cool but it REALLY does not compare to the DLC. The novelty of building your own house with the mod wears off pretty quick once you realize you just built a 2 story shack in the woods that's barely large enough for a single person to live in (god forbid you use a mod to give yourself more than one follower, as they will make walking around an unnecessary chore).

You're better off finding some other pre-made house mod, unless the tiny shack in the woods really appeals to you. Though I do recommend checking it out for the hidden lair rooms. Some of them are very nice, although I feel the guy who made the mod should just make seperate house mods because he does make very nice decorations.

[EuanChan]

I really don't care. I'm angry with Bethesda as it is, and I don't want to get excited for the DLC I'll never get.
#ps3gamer.

[CrossNgen]

he's a former dragon priest and, i believe he's undead. so he's definitely got an evil background. he's probably back and wanting to retake what he once ruled. so we're probably going to be fighting for the new leaders to stop him from taking their throne. i'm rather disappointed that we're probably going to kill him :/

If I, as a mage, am going to loot his totally badass robes off of him when he dies then I'm happy.

[unholytestament]

I really don't care. I'm angry with Bethesda as it is, and I don't want to get excited for the DLC I'll never get.
#ps3gamer.

Then maybe you should avoid topics that are specifically labeled as talking about said DLC.

Just sayin'.

Edit: Of course that no longer applies when a mod comes in out of the blue and merges topics that have been around for days...

[Lyriok]

Edit: Of course that no longer applies when a mod comes in out of the blue and merges topics that have been around for days...

I was rather surprised the original thread got past 3 posts let alone a few pages before being merged, Skyrim does have a megathread open to all discussion.

Personally I look forward to the story this DLC may bring in, now to just decide if I want to use my Stealth/archer, 2H, 1H/shield or Vampire Lord/Mage.

[Istaril]

I really don't care. I'm angry with Bethesda as it is, and I don't want to get excited for the DLC I'll never get.
#ps3gamer.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/08/sk...says-bethesda/

[Flaks]

Aw, only 10 hours for 20€. Will probably hold off until it goes down to 5 in some steam sale. Hearthfire just seems entirely useless to get for the PC version since you can just mod that stuff in for free

Honestly I'd say it was 20 bucks well spent.

I just hope they do conclude the Thalmore storyline in Skyrim and don't hold it off. Maybe the fact that they're releasing unrelated DLC means there's a lot more to come? One can hope. If Dawnguard was any indication, they're doing exceptional things with the tools they have.

[Jigain]

The house itself is tiny and cramped (with the exception of the secret room, which is easily the same size as the house but you have to go into the basement and through a secret door in a book case to get to it).
Seriously. Breezehome is bigger.

The two-story house you build, plus the basement, plus the secret lair, plus the large outside area, plus the dungeon it connects to is significantly larger than any vanilla house. I could probably agree that other mod houses like Dragon Falls Manor are larger, and as I haven't tried Hearthfire (for obvious reasons), I can't say whether that one is larger or smaller - but one thing is certain, the size of the constructions are significantly larger than what you make them out to be.

You don't get to build decorations, you build a theme.
In the DLC you get to build each shelf, each stand, each table, and so on. Even though they're all automatically placed, through trial and error you can pick and choose to have the decorations you want. But with the mod you just pick a theme and then all the decorations are placed. But, as I noted above, some of these decorations are pretty nice looking.

That's a fair enough point. Again, I don't know how much customization Hearthfire has. I question whether that makes it worth the cost though.

Respawning pets.
Imagine my surprise when I had some bunnies and a fox randomly running inside my tiny house. I don't recall them being mentioned, but I was especially annoyed when they respawned after I deliberately killed them because them banging into stuff and the fox growling was getting annoying.

They are mentioned. Very, very clearly. As well as what to do about them if you don't like it. Just kill them, they won't respawn. If they respawned for you, I do hope you reported that bug to the mod author.

The novelty of building your own house with the mod wears off pretty quick once you realize you just built a 2 story shack in the woods that's barely large enough for a single person to live in [...] You're better off finding some other pre-made house mod, unless the tiny shack in the woods really appeals to you.

Again, the area is much larger than what you suggest. Just quit it.

I'll be honest, you sound more like someone who bought Hearthfire and feel you need to justify your purchase by convincing yourself a mod couldn't possibly do the same concept even remotely as well. This could very well be a misinterpretation on my part, but that's how you come across to me.

All in all, to the guy who asked the question in the first place, I recommend that you try the mod out. If you don't like it, uninstallation instructions are available.

[EuanChan]

... Well golly gee.

[Vankrys]

Random question--is getting Skyrim for the PC a grossly better investment than getting it for console?

Without any hesitation if you have a good enough PC though.

Skyrim is cheaper on PC (like pretty much every PC game)

Skyrim has better graphics (better resolution)

You can easily manage save files with PC so you can have multiple avatar

Skyrim have been heavily patch on PC, i encountered 0 bug since i bought it a few month ago

If you like, you can easily take screenshot or movieshot of your gameplay

Skyrim can be moded on PC
- new weapon model , new armor model
- Enhanced difficulty to give you a real challenge
- better inventory, enhanced map, ...
- new craft (arrows, ...)
- New texture (face, body, ...)
- and much much more...

And finally, being FPS style gameplay, at least with range avatar, you have a much higher precision on your shot with a mouse. But even if you prefer gamepad, you can of course use gamepad on PC. Most video card allow you to plug a HDMI LCD/plasma TV screen, either buit-in or with an adaptator.


If you have a good enough PC, there is no reason to prefer skyrim on console, unless you really want to up your xbox live /PS network achievement point.

[unholytestament]

The two-story house you build, plus the basement, plus the secret lair, plus the large outside area, plus the dungeon it connects to is significantly larger than any vanilla house. I could probably agree that other mod houses like Dragon Falls Manor are larger, and as I haven't tried Hearthfire (for obvious reasons), I can't say whether that one is larger or smaller - but one thing is certain, the size of the constructions are significantly larger than what you make them out to be.

So I take it you have no idea what the phrase "the house itself" means? The HOUSE is tiny. And cramped. The only exception being the secret room, as I said.
The size of the outdoor items doesn't count for shit because it's not like he took any effort to make them look special. You could easily confuse it for "random bandit camp#501". And the dungeon is not part of the house (and definitely not a selling point of the mod).

That's a fair enough point. Again, I don't know how much customization Hearthfire has. I question whether that makes it worth the cost though.

Well I'm certainly glad to hear you're advising people against buying content you're completely clueless about.

I had forgotten I was on MMO-Champion for a moment. Thanks for reminding me.

Again, the area is much larger than what you suggest. Just quit it.

The "area" sure is. The HOUSE is not.

I'll be honest, you sound more like someone who bought Hearthfire and feel you need to justify your purchase by convincing yourself a mod couldn't possibly do the same concept even remotely as well. This could very well be a misinterpretation on my part, but that's how you come across to me.

It does the same concept just fine. It's just is not the shining glowing beacon of awesomeness that everyone is making it out to be.

And I find it ridiculous that you're trying to call me out as some kind of fanboy after you have admitted you haven't even tried the DLC. ESPECIALLY considering in my post I didn't exactly give the DLC a glowing recommendation and instead recommended using other house mods. But hey, since you obviously went out of your way to ignore what I was actually saying multiple times I find it easy to believe you just plain didn't read the end of my post.

[Mcstunner]

anyone else think they should have made "bad guy" routes for the whole game? i've been doing the more "bad" sides here recently, but it just feels weird to jump in to being a hero after all that. just feels like you're going completely against the character you've been playing for the last 4 or 5 hours.

[unholytestament]

The game could use more options. I was impressed that there was an option to wipe out the Dark Brotherhood but then disappointed when I can't do the same for the Thieves Guild.

Plus it would be awesome if I could kill the Legion/Stormcloak leader right after they made their victory speech.

[Tomatketchup]

Anyone here have any recommendations for mods which add questing areas/new lands? I have tried the Khajit one, it's great but the latest update doesn't let me continue the questline, so I'm kinda fucked there.

[fizzbob]

Random question--is getting Skyrim for the PC a grossly better investment than getting it for console?

pc + mods = about 100,000% more content

so yeah

and with HD mods, good god the consoles look like something from the nintendo days of gaming compared to HD PC graphics

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Anyone here have any recommendations for mods which add questing areas/new lands? I have tried the Khajit one, it's great but the latest update doesn't let me continue the questline, so I'm kinda fucked there.

i assume you mean moonpath to elsewyr but if not, get that

[Tomatketchup]

i assume you mean moonpath to elsewyr but if not, get that

Yes, that is the one.

And honestly, I simply don't understand how people can say that mods make the game 1000% more contentrich- most of them simply adds better game mechanics/graphics, but I simply can't find any gameplay additions.

[Flaks]

Yes, that is the one.

And honestly, I simply don't understand how people can say that mods make the game 1000% more contentrich- most of them simply adds better game mechanics/graphics, but I simply can't find any gameplay additions.

So so SO much more content if you know where to look:

Into the Depths
Halls of Dovanhdoar
And the Realms of Daedra (and other quests by this author)
Dark Brotherhood resurrection (Part 1, he'll be coming out with a lot more; this one alone is 3+ hours worth) http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25941
There's quite a few more. Couple of them that add Oblivion gates and another horror mode
Oh and Monster mod and Monster Wars. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9694

I can go on forever.

OH YEA! Sanctum of the Fallen. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/19913 it'll make you shit bricks. Don't recommend this unless you have an overpowered character (you won't feel so OP when you go in there though).

This one changes the game substantially but doesn't really add more content per se: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9286

None of them are at the level of Dawnguard. But then, these people don't have teams working on this stuff for a living.

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The game could use more options. I was impressed that there was an option to wipe out the Dark Brotherhood but then disappointed when I can't do the same for the Thieves Guild.

Plus it would be awesome if I could kill the Legion/Stormcloak leader right after they made their victory speech.

Wait how do you wipe out the Dark Brotherhood? I've put in hundreds of hours into this game but haven't touched the radiant quests until now so I'm guessing that's where it's at.

I'll add this youtube channel: he updates you on the best mods that are made every week. And ALL of them are fucking amazing without fail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtVIA...-shows&list=SL

P.S. Could someone tell me the name of the mod with the bear playing the lute? I NEED IT!

[unholytestament]

Wait how do you wipe out the Dark Brotherhood? I've put in hundreds of hours into this game but haven't touched the radiant quests until now so I'm guessing that's where it's at.

If you kill Astrid when she first kidnaps you it sets you on the path to wipe them out.

[Flaks]

If you kill Astrid when she first kidnaps you it sets you on the path to wipe them out.

Oh my god no freaking way...Why the eff didn't I ever think of that.

I wonder if there's any other major things that can get unlocked unwittingly. There's gotta be a place to find that out.