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    Are we going to start a political debate?

    I'm with Imperials. I love Thalmor and I cannot bare Nord accents so it was a no brainer for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    Are we going to start a political debate?

    I'm with Imperials. I love Thalmor and I cannot bare Nord accents so it was a no brainer for me
    Anyone who claims Ulfric as Adolf Hitler should really look closely and compare the two. You don't like Ulfric? Fine. But don't make incorrect comparisons. And it's 'bear'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Anyone who claims Ulfric as Adolf Hitler should really look closely and compare the two. You don't like Ulfric? Fine. But don't make incorrect comparisons.
    ... I didn't compare them
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    And it's 'bear'.
    derp typo :<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    ... I didn't compare them

    derp typo :<
    I was referring to the first guy I was talking to.

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    Maybe someone here can help me. The quest Escaped Criminal is bugged for me. Namely I got no quest marker. Finding and killing the criminal without a marker didn't progress the quest (and was quite frustrating). Neither does using setstage to finish the quest. Or using the method suggested in the ES wiki i.e.

    "This can be bypassed through console commands, by accepting and completing one of the other companion radiant quests. The following commands will assign Animal Extermination as a new quest and complete it. Afterwards, you can accept new radiant quests from the companion leaders.

    setstage cr01 10
    setstage cr01 20
    setstage cr01 100

    In case this doesn´t work, using cr02 instead of cr01 worked. In addition it may happen that you can only get a quest from Aela after using this bypass. Completing the Quest from Aela (in my case: Totems of Hircine) seemed to reset the other quests, so I can now again take quests from the other leaders, including Vilkas."

    None of these fixes do anything for me. Which is pretty bad because my last save before accepting the quest is ~30 hours old.

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    On the PC, it is possible to use the console to advance through the quest by entering setstage CR07 stage, where stage is the number of the stage you wish to complete. It is not possible to un-complete (i.e. go back) quest stages, but it is possible to clear all stages of the quest using resetquest CR07.

    From the much superior Uesp.net wiki. I don't understand a word of it, but maybe it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    Are we going to start a political debate?

    I'm with Imperials. I love Thalmor and I cannot bare Nord accents so it was a no brainer for me
    I went Imperials to for the first playthrough but I have absolutely no love for the Thalmor and can't wait for the day they get their asses handed to them. The white gold concordat will not last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    I went Imperials to for the first playthrough but I have absolutely no love for the Thalmor and can't wait for the day they get their asses handed to them. The white gold concordat will not last.
    You'd be surprised how long these things can last when most of the nobility conspire to murder their leader.

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    I like the Imperial's uniforms a lot more than Stormcloaks too. I hope the Empire wins

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    What is the console command for flushing out the memory used.

    Now that I've progressed further into the game and done tons of shit the game just seems to fill up my RAM really fast after few location switches.
    Modern gaming apologist: I once tasted diarrhea so shit is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    I like the Imperial's uniforms a lot more than Stormcloaks too. I hope the Empire wins
    Seriously? They're wearing skirts.

    The way this'll go though, is that it'll probably depend on your save or they'll do a dragon break (again).

    Imperials need to get out of Skyrim, I've always wanted that place independent from Morrowind onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Seriously? They're wearing skirts.
    I think the Penitus Oculatus are cool :>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Seriously? They're wearing skirts.

    The way this'll go though, is that it'll probably depend on your save or they'll do a dragon break (again).

    Imperials need to get out of Skyrim, I've always wanted that place independent from Morrowind onwards.
    it looks a lot like roman armor you see in movies, which is pretty sweet. general tullius was almost exactly the same as all depictions of julius caesar lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcstunner View Post
    it looks a lot like roman armor you see in movies, which is pretty sweet. general tullius was almost exactly the same as all depictions of julius caesar lol.
    I know, but that doesn't change the fact they're wearing skirts.

    Tightass Mede honestly strikes me as Julius Caesar, though.

    The Empire used to be cool, particularly in Oblivion where they were led by Boromir and screamed at criminal scum. Now they're led by a nasally old man and his ad-hominem spewing man faced bitch second-in-command. Thankfully, however, the guard from Oblivion has indeed taken his rightful place as Emperor. YES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valenhil View Post
    Another problem. I'm doing the civil war questline now, and after turning in the first step of liberating the rift(where you blackmail the steward), Legate Rikke gives me gold but doesn't give me the next quest, to capture Fort Greenwall. I don't want to have to skip this questline, but messing around with the console has yielded me no other options. Google told me you have to go ask Tullius how the war is going but that didn't do anything, neither did using the cooking spit in the camp and knocking out Rikke, then talking to her again. I've never encountered this problem before on any other character. Any ideas?
    It is possible that you have recently cleared out Fort Greenwall, which would prevent the quest from triggering. I had a similar issue with one of the Companions quests. I ended up having to wait a number of days (I did 30) for the location to reset AND use the console to re-trigger the quest start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    Are we going to start a political debate?

    I'm with Imperials. I love Thalmor and I cannot bare Nord accents so it was a no brainer for me
    How exactly is discussing whether one of the major characters in Skyrim is a nod toward history's greatest dictator, on a skyrim discussion thread, political? We're talking about the video game, not real politics. And last I checked, discussions about Nazi germany weren't prone to wildly varying opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Ulfric is awesome. You're mucking about. And the Empire's racist and fascist too. The Stormcloaks aren't the latter, though. They're just a nationalistic monarchy. The Empire wants to replace every other culture with their own.
    Way to make your point. Indeed, Ulfric is a charismatic leader, who happens to believes any government that isn't Nord is weak, coming back from a war that left his nation unsatisfied with the current rulers and slowly excluding every other race from skyrim so as to make it stronger. And he's totally not fascist. He's just getting rid of his opposition through force, since they already made it clear they're putting Elisif on the throne, that's perfectly reasonable. Oh wait, that's MY point. And it doesn't sound reasonable at all.

    "Nationalistic Monarchy", you serious on this? He's killing his countrymen to get on the throne. The only difference between Nazis and stormcloaks is that the stormcloaks were stupid and started a civil war, while Hitler made sure his opinion had a solid base with the people before making a move.

    Meanwhile you call the Empire racist(name one race refused in the imperial army), fascist (it's an expansionist empire, the emperor doesn't control the people, instead relying on peace treaties. Oblivion had a better view on it) and replacing every other culture with their own, which so far has...one case, which is the banning of Talos worshippers. Which was forced by the Thalmor, who wants to, uh, destroy the world. And then you say I should not make incorrect comparisons.

    But you may actually have a point. Ulfric's stance actually sounds more like the Japanese Empire's than the Nazi's. Yeah, their allies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone Jack View Post
    It is possible that you have recently cleared out Fort Greenwall, which would prevent the quest from triggering. I had a similar issue with one of the Companions quests. I ended up having to wait a number of days (I did 30) for the location to reset AND use the console to re-trigger the quest start.
    Nah, I don't even have it on my map yet... I don't know what he meant, but the dragon bug someone commented last page is on the top of my list. second possibility on the trigger, I think, is Season Unending, but that doesn't help me at all. I see people having problems with the "Reporting for Duty" option, but not the one i'm having.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valenhil View Post
    How exactly is discussing whether one of the major characters in Skyrim is a nod toward history's greatest dictator, on a skyrim discussion thread, political? We're talking about the video game, not real politics. And last I checked, discussions about Nazi germany weren't prone to wildly varying opinions.
    Video game politics are still politics .. :s

    I was ignoring the Hitler reference anyway, we were actually discussing personal opinions on Stormcloak VS Imperial so, political discussion
    My posts seem to be offending everyone today lol, I must be doing something wrong

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    Just as i download and get about 150 mods runing and the mood to play Skyrim without using any fast travel etc. I get assigned a bunch of stuff to do on the last 2 weeks of college. QQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valenhil View Post
    Way to make your point. Indeed, Ulfric is a charismatic leader, who happens to believes any government that isn't Nord is weak, coming back from a war that left his nation unsatisfied with the current rulers and slowly excluding every other race from skyrim so as to make it stronger. And he's totally not fascist. He's just getting rid of his opposition through force, since they already made it clear they're putting Elisif on the throne, that's perfectly reasonable. Oh wait, that's MY point. And it doesn't sound reasonable at all.
    One, he isn't excluding any race from Skyrim. Foreigners in areas taken by Stormcloaks admit that nothing much changes for them (and don't talk about the Dark Elves. He never put them in the slum, according to 'the Scourge of the Grey Quarter' his father did. And Windhelm has large Imperial and Altmer minorities that are left alone). Oh, and no one's putting Elisif on the throne at all. The Moot's deadlocked because Ulfric has fucking half of Skryim at his back. Contesting the frankly foolish decision to put that idiotic woman child on the throne is well within his rights. Especially as half the country disagrees with this proposition. Which is by no means final. Ulfric has the legitimate claim anyway. He challenged Torygg. Torygg accepted. Torygg knew what he was getting into. Torygg lost. THE END. The only reason he isn't king is because the Empire suddenly decided to force itself into Skyrim's affairs.


    "Nationalistic Monarchy", you serious on this? He's killing his countrymen to get on the throne. The only difference between Nazis and stormcloaks is that the stormcloaks were stupid and started a civil war, while Hitler made sure his opinion had a solid base with the people before making a move.
    Oh, I suppose the French Revolution was pure evil as well by that token? As is the Arab Spring. The Stormcloaks DO have a strong base for their opinions. Half the fucking country. It KILLS Ulfric inside to wage war against his brothers ('we are ready (to take whiterun)' 'is any man ever ready to give the order that will mean the deaths of many?'. The Empire holds Skyrim back with its craven appeaser politics. The Stormcloaks are fighting to throw out an Empire that used them, abuses them and shows no respect to the sacrifices of the Nord legions that won the war for them. And they've already shown how well they regard the nations that made them strong. Sacrificing Hammerfell ring any bells? And also, many people in the Empire are happy with the arrangement with the Dominion. Read the 'Talos Mistake' and see Erikur.

    Oh, and another thing. The Stormcloaks at least don't do war crimes. Go speak to an NPC called Angi, she'll tell you that drunken Imperial soldiers murdered her entire family.

    Meanwhile you call the Empire racist(name one race refused in the imperial army), fascist (it's an expansionist empire, the emperor doesn't control the people, instead relying on peace treaties. Oblivion had a better view on it) and replacing every other culture with their own, which so far has...one case, which is the banning of Talos worshippers. Which was forced by the Thalmor, who wants to, uh, destroy the world. And then you say I should not make incorrect comparisons.
    "The Imperials think us all lawless beasts. I'm proof of their ignorance" - many, many guards.

    "My daughter's marrying some Nord beast!!" - Vittoria Vici's mother. Otherwise known as the Emperor's own aunt. (ironically, a Colovian. Who are culturally and religiously Nordic)

    "Everything that comes out of Tulius' fucking mouth pre-ridiculous "I'm tolerant now" bullshit"

    For a man who claims to have played both sides, you seem to know jack about both the 'Cloaks and the Empire. The Empire has always tried to force itself on other cultures and otherwise 'Imperialize' them. This was shown as far back as Morrowind. In fact, Dagoth Ur's main beef with the Empire was this. And this is part of Ulfric's beef with them as well. And seeing as how Imperial characters in the game constantly. CONSTANTLY deride Nordic cultures (see Tullius) and demonize them (Witchmen of the Reach) I see very little reason to sympathize with them. Face it, it's a corrupt wreck that deserves to die.

    Also. Nobody's refused entry into the 'Cloaks either.

    But you may actually have a point. Ulfric's stance actually sounds more like the Japanese Empire's than the Nazi's. Yeah, their allies.
    Your point being? I said calling him ''Hitler'' was wrong. He's more Josef Stalin.
    Last edited by Frostbane; 2012-12-01 at 04:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    One, he isn't excluding any race from Skyrim. Foreigners in areas taken by Stormcloaks admit that nothing much changes for them (and don't talk about the Dark Elves. He never put them in the slum, according to 'the Scourge of the Grey Quarter' his father did. And Windhelm has large Imperial and Altmer minorities that are left alone). Oh, and no one's putting Elisif on the throne at all. The Moot's deadlocked because Ulfric has fucking half of Skryim at his back. Contesting the frankly foolish decision to put that idiotic woman child on the throne is well within his rights. Especially as half the country disagrees with this proposition. Which is by no means final. Ulfric has the legitimate claim anyway. He challenged Torygg. Torygg accepted. Torygg knew what he was getting into. Torygg lost. THE END. The only reason he isn't king is because the Empire suddenly decided to force itself into Skyrim's affairs.
    He made it very, very clear. Anyone who isn't a Nord has no place in Skyrim. You're right, he hasn't excluded any race from skyrim, but i never said he had. He will, if he gets his way.
    If no one is putting Elisif on the throne, tell me why would Ulfric start this war. The empire had the support of most jarls, add on top of that the fact that one of the Jarls supporting Ulfric wasn't takes seriously by anyone(Dawnstar) and another one is in Maven Blackbriar's pocket, And Maven supports the empire. If Ulfric didn't know he was going to lose, he wouldn't have made this stupid move. Because if the Dragonborn doesn't intervene, it's clear the empire wins.
    Ulfric killing Torygg was his first stupid move. He lost respect with at least 3 jarls, one on his side, and accomplished absolutely nothing from it. Killing the king in honorable combat, which wasn't witnessed by anyone of importance, doesn't make you king. His ego just needed a fix.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Oh, I suppose the French Revolution was pure evil as well by that token? As is the Arab Spring. The Stormcloaks DO have a strong base for their opinions. Half the fucking country. It KILLS Ulfric inside to wage war against his brothers ('we are ready (to take whiterun)' 'is any man ever ready to give the order that will mean the deaths of many?'. The Empire holds Skyrim back with its craven appeaser politics. The Stormcloaks are fighting to throw out an Empire that used them, abuses them and shows no respect to the sacrifices of the Nord legions that won the war for them. And they've already shown how well they regard the nations that made them strong. Sacrificing Hammerfell ring any bells? And also, many people in the Empire are happy with the arrangement with the Dominion. Read the 'Talos Mistake' and see Erikur.
    You answered your own question, those are revolutions. The stormcloaks aren't revolutionaries, they don't want to change anything in how skyrim is ruled. The empire has always allowed all the territories they conquer keep their own government, as long as they claim fealty. They never abused skyrim in any way until they lost the war to the Thalmor. Ulfric is just erasing the "fealty" part so he can be king. He's killing half his country because that half doesn't want him ruling. Fan-freaking-tastic. Truly a Nord hero.
    Also, the way you use individual opinions is hilarious. Those don't count, silly. They're individual. And Hammerfell wasn't sacrificed. Hammerfell left the empire due to not accepting the treaty. Refusing the treaty was never an option for the empire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Oh, and another thing. The Stormcloaks at least don't do war crimes. Go speak to an NPC called Angi, she'll tell you that drunken Imperial soldiers murdered her entire family.
    Again with the "judging every single person individually". Cute. Every army commits war crimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    "The Imperials think us all lawless beasts. I'm proof of their ignorance" - many, many guards.

    "My daughter's marrying some Nord beast!!" - Vittoria Vici's mother. Otherwise known as the Emperor's own aunt. (ironically, a Colovian. Who are culturally and religiously Nordic)

    "Everything that comes out of Tulius' fucking mouth pre-ridiculous "I'm tolerant now" bullshit"
    So their opinion of the Nords mirrors almost exactly the Nord's opinion of the Empire? Is this supposed to prove anything other than the fact they are at war?
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    For a man who claims to have played both sides, you seem to know jack about both the 'Cloaks and the Empire. The Empire has always tried to force itself on other cultures and otherwise 'Imperialize' them. This was shown as far back as Morrowind. In fact, Dagoth Ur's main beef with the Empire was this. And this is part of Ulfric's beef with them as well. And seeing as how Imperial characters in the game constantly. CONSTANTLY deride Nordic cultures (see Tullius) and demonize them (Witchmen of the Reach) I see very little reason to sympathize with them. Face it, it's a corrupt wreck that deserves to die.
    Of course they will "imperialize" them. It's their territory. But they still leave the nations to govern themselves freely. Just the fact that it's an agreement between the empire and the nation already speaks a lot about it.
    Once again, the imperials are at war with the nords. Neither side is going to be nice about it. What I do know is that the Empire was managing to turn a blind eye to a lot of stuff in Skyrim before Ulfric got uppity. I also know that a lot of Ulfric supporters aren't very good at thinking, because they seem to want to win a war against the empire, and then win a war against the Thalmor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbane View Post
    Also. Nobody's refused entry into the 'Cloaks either.
    No way to know, as the Dragonborn is probably an exception. What we do know, is that the stormcloaks don't hold any other race's interests. So even if they do accept an argonian, they're not fighting for that argonian. The moment Ulfric wins, Skyrim will be Nords only. On the other hand, there's a reason Cyrodill is called "Seat of the Empire" instead of just "The Empire"

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