1. #7021
    Quote Originally Posted by Pachycrocuta View Post
    I think their problem is a human became divine, when they feel only elves should be given that privalege. Since the Aldmeri see humans as lesser beings, and the elves as the descendants of the gods, the fact that a human became divine rankles them so much that they deny him, and force others to do so as well.

    I am no expert on lore, but from the bits I have picked up in this thread, that's my understanding as to why they outlaw Talos worship.
    I always assumed they were pissed off because Talos had come and kicked them out of cyrodiil.

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    The reason the elves want to ban the Worship of Talos is because it is a major step towards removing the imperials from existence. Once the imperials no longer exist in any form (completely extinct as a race, lost into history) then the universe will unravel and the Elves will return to Aetherius. I can't recall right now, but I think this also needs to be prefaced by the destruction of the 8 world towers, but that might be a separate route to unraveling the universe.

    ...Or something like that. The whole meta-physical pseudo-lore gets confusing.
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  3. #7023
    Got DB installed now, didn't remove any mods and didn't start over and so far so good Had to find a compatibility patch for SkyRe though as some of the new armors had 0 armor rating. I haven't visited the new island yet and probably won't before I'm done with Dawnguard.

    A question about canon TES lore.. is there even such a thing? I've been reading the books and there are often more than one about the same thing and they say completely different things or even use different names for the same person or location. For example Ysmir.. who or what is that supposed to be? One book claims it's some god called the Underking, another that it's Talos, then some say it's some nord general from Atmora and so on.

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    Well.

    You've got at least three Ysmir's;
    One is Talos, the other is Wulfharth, and the third is the player character in Skyrim.

    Talos is Talos, not much really needs explaining there, but Wulfharth was an ancient ruler of Skyrim who had some kind of weird ability to cheat death, which eventually earned him the name Underking.

    Ysmir itself just means Dragon of the North, which is in itself some kind of strange name given to certain instrumental heros in Skyrims history.

    Fair warning, once you start to get into the 'deeper' TES lore, shit starts to get REALLY confusing.
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  5. #7025
    Please post any and all compatibility patches, new additions, and updates to mods related to Dragonborn.
    For starters(and predictably), The Unnoficial Drabonborn Patch.


  6. #7026
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbeth View Post
    Got DB installed now, didn't remove any mods and didn't start over and so far so good Had to find a compatibility patch for SkyRe though as some of the new armors had 0 armor rating. I haven't visited the new island yet and probably won't before I'm done with Dawnguard.

    A question about canon TES lore.. is there even such a thing? I've been reading the books and there are often more than one about the same thing and they say completely different things or even use different names for the same person or location. For example Ysmir.. who or what is that supposed to be? One book claims it's some god called the Underking, another that it's Talos, then some say it's some nord general from Atmora and so on.
    there is canon, but you'll rarely find it in game. the game books which deal with lore are there to add realism to the world. they work just like it does irl. christians have a book saying how things did and did not happen, and so do hindus. well, it's the same with in-universe beliefs. each society has it's own creation myths and beliefs about the gods, some are more close to the truth than others. if you want the canon on how things go, you should look on the wikis and stuff. UESP is pretty reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcstunner View Post
    there is canon, but you'll rarely find it in game. the game books which deal with lore are there to add realism to the world. they work just like it does irl. christians have a book saying how things did and did not happen, and so do hindus. well, it's the same with in-universe beliefs. each society has it's own creation myths and beliefs about the gods, some are more close to the truth than others. if you want the canon on how things go, you should look on the wikis and stuff. UESP is pretty reliable.
    The vast majority of TES canon is extracted from the games, given that there arn't many other places to get it from. Apart from the game, there is Michael Kirkblades crazy little metaphysical ramblings, but whether or not its prudent to consider that canon is up in the air. While alot of the books in the TES games do have author bias, its not as exaggerated as you seem to be making it out to be, and you can usually get a basic understanding of The elder scrolls world by reading most of the books you come across. That said, if you want a comprehensive understanding of a certain aspect that isn't related to Kirkblade (encapsulating stuff like CHIM, the world towers etc) UESP is pretty great.
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  8. #7028
    I always wondered how come they never had an expanded universe to TESO. I guess the games are so player driven it might be hard to do?

  9. #7029
    So as Laurcus clarified in the ESO race thread: There is no "elf" or "man" Aedra. They're all Aedra plain and simple. Talos, as a "man", ascended to godhood. He was no longer a man in any way, shape or form.

    Man and mer are descended from the same beings: the Ehlnofey. The Ehlnofey were "devolved" Aedra due to Lorkhan's creation and "trickery".

    The point of contention between elves and men are many.
    Two of a lot of the major ones are:
    1. the elves believe that they are descendents of the divines while humans believe they are their creation
    2. the elves believe that Lorkhan was a traitor while man believes Lorkhan to be their "savior" of sorts in creating Nirn.

    The above poster was right in that the Thalmor aim to remove the mortal plain of existence and essentially "return" to Aetherius by taking control (removing?) all of the towers which is how it used to be before Lorkhan created Nirn. I'm not entirely sure on the imperials part of it.

    The elves are right in that they are the descendents of the divines. The humans are wrong in believing that they are creations.

    Lorkhan's power permeated throughout Nirn all the way up to, what I think, was the third era in Morrowind. Or maybe Morrowind happened afterwards. Anyways Lorkhan's heart was used as a vessel to obtain divinity by the Tribunal. I didn't play Morrowind so correct me if I'm wrong on this but Vivec was willing to give up his godhood (gained through contact with Lorkhan's heart) to end the corruption it was leading to. Etc. etc. etc.

    Everything's really interconnected. Except for dragons. That shit still doesn't seem to fit all that well in the grand scheme of things.
    Yea yea, Alduin first born of Akatosh the chief Divine who's sole purpose was to bring about the end and renewal of Nirn. Except he's clearly not the only or biggest threat to Tamriel's plane of existence.
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  10. #7030
    any argonians around? i was wondering how the dunmer react to you. i imagine that at least a few of them would react very negatively...

  11. #7031
    You rarely get any meaningful reactions from what race you've picked in TES games. Just some token lip service every now and then. When I played an argonian and went to the docks district in Windhelm I got one "welcome, egg brother!" and then everyone went back to their usual dialog.

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    I believe that the Tribunal did not want to give up godhood, Almalexia especially, to the point where Almalexia went insane with fear of losing her power and killed Sotha Sil in an attempt to drain his power. Vivec couldn't care less given that even without the Heart of Lorkhan he is THE most powerful single entity on Nirn, however with great power comes great apathy, and he really stopped caring about everything, even including the death of his physical body (CHIM).

    The heart of Lorkhan wasnt directly causing corruption, but was giving Dagoth Ur an avenue to become more powerful and just generally do crazy shit, including essentially being a god/demi-god as long as the heart existed. However, when the player destroys the heart Dagoth Ur naturally dies.
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  13. #7033
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy Gecko View Post
    You rarely get any meaningful reactions from what race you've picked in TES games. Just some token lip service every now and then. When I played an argonian and went to the docks district in Windhelm I got one "welcome, egg brother!" and then everyone went back to their usual dialog.
    I love the "You'll make a fine rug, cat!" on my Khajiit.
    Quote Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfang
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  14. #7034
    I moved out of the Lakeview manor today. Had enough with with the bugs:P First the bees from the greenhouse knocking everything over.. fixed that by manually selecting every single one of them and used console to delete. Talking about tedious work there.. then all that garbage everywhere. The barrels, skulls, sacks. They had to go the way of the bees.

    But the final straw was all the clutter(pots pans cabbages and other) and junk respawning, throwing my stuff on the floor and vomiting my items from the display cases and the darn bard picking everything up and giving them back to me. At least Vlindral Hall doesn't have the respawn problem. Wish it was in a more central location though but oh well..

  15. #7035
    Managed to think of a character concept finally that I am somewhat satisfied with. Decided to dive in Skyrim again, what do you guys think is the best way to start DLC? Do you finish the main questline before starting up the DLC, or just the first few quests if you are rolling with a new character? I heard that if you finish the whole questline you get an extra dialogue line in one quest from the DLC, I'm not sure why I want it this much. But the thought of doing the whole main questline again is killing me.

  16. #7036
    Oh Dragonborn, was fun while it lasted.

    The first dungeon I went in was fine, no technical problems at all but now when I started the Dragonborn DLC main storyline the game completely broke into pieces. I've already thrown the towel out of the window but still. Skyrim process just randomly got stuck, while moving around or even in loading the save game. I trust my ability to enable mods so I don't think it is a mod issue though, probably just something in Dragonborn itself which broke down. I kind of tried everything to get it work, loaded without mods, loaded earlier save game etc. Always crashes in way or another.

    I didn't even have many mods installed, only official DLC's and their unofficial patches, SkyUI & SKSE, Better Sorting & Better World Map With Roads. Just for the curious, I even used BOSS for proper load order and cleared the .esm with TESEdit. I don't know if I ever want to install Skyrim again as it would require me to reroll a new character once more.. Not worth it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xothic View Post
    I believe that the Tribunal did not want to give up godhood, Almalexia especially, to the point where Almalexia went insane with fear of losing her power and killed Sotha Sil in an attempt to drain his power. Vivec couldn't care less given that even without the Heart of Lorkhan he is THE most powerful single entity on Nirn, however with great power comes great apathy, and he really stopped caring about everything, even including the death of his physical body (CHIM).

    The heart of Lorkhan wasnt directly causing corruption, but was giving Dagoth Ur an avenue to become more powerful and just generally do crazy shit, including essentially being a god/demi-god as long as the heart existed. However, when the player destroys the heart Dagoth Ur naturally dies.
    Vivec isn't the most powerful guy out there. And it can be interpreted that the entire Neverine plot was engineered by him (he comments how he destroyed other reincarnations of Nerevar that didn't measure up.). Dagoth Ur is also attempting a corruption of what we see as CHIM.

    The current list of Powerful beings out there:

    Talos.

    The HoonDing.

    Trinimac.

    Vivec.

    Leki.

    Reman.

    Auri-El.

    Wulfharth.

    Morihaus.

    Pelinal.

    That's my list, and pretty much in that order. Though Vivec did kill Tiber Septim once...but I mentioned Talos, not the Emperor.
    And going through Kirkblade's posts, it appears there is a step *beyond* CHIM that no one has achieved yet.

    To the close dreamers, don't forget the Amaranth. There *is* one step beyond CHIM, but you're right in that it is not godhood. It's the flowering of a statehood where the images you give birth to in your dream-- stolen (?) from first dreamer-- wakes up. Wails knowing free will. And begins to dream in the same way. Children of liberty without end, and then the music lives forever as a pirate radio tuned against the rules of Heaven and the vulgarities of Hell.

    Yeah, like that, but, crap, it just shattered and now I need my morning coffee because I have to work.

    Still, no wonder some called Him the Doom Drum.
    In other news, Dragonborn was fun. I got my Morrowind fix, and the guys at Skywind got Developer made models for some of the more difficult parts of game-making. I stopped and stared when I ran across the Stilt Strider. I don't think the DLC was worth 20 bucks though.
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  18. #7038
    Quote Originally Posted by dragothica View Post
    Oh Dragonborn, was fun while it lasted.

    The first dungeon I went in was fine, no technical problems at all but now when I started the Dragonborn DLC main storyline the game completely broke into pieces. I've already thrown the towel out of the window but still. Skyrim process just randomly got stuck, while moving around or even in loading the save game. I trust my ability to enable mods so I don't think it is a mod issue though, probably just something in Dragonborn itself which broke down. I kind of tried everything to get it work, loaded without mods, loaded earlier save game etc. Always crashes in way or another.

    I didn't even have many mods installed, only official DLC's and their unofficial patches, SkyUI & SKSE, Better Sorting & Better World Map With Roads. Just for the curious, I even used BOSS for proper load order and cleared the .esm with TESEdit. I don't know if I ever want to install Skyrim again as it would require me to reroll a new character once more.. Not worth it..
    I wouldn't recommend using Boss to be honest or well, it helps but it gets a lot of things wrong in the load order. I used it too and afterwards at least 3 mods didn't work and some caused big issues. After manually reorganizing the mods that didn't want to work as they should have using common sense, the problems disappeared. Or well, there are still a few minor ones but I have no idea what causes them like some NPCs not moving their mouths in big cities when talking but only outside. If I follow them inside, they talk normally again. Also the game sometimes stops responding after exiting Markath. It's only happened twice though.

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    Talos.

    The HoonDing.

    Trinimac.

    Vivec.

    Leki.

    Reman.

    Auri-El.

    Wulfharth.

    Morihaus.

    Pelinal.

    That's my list, and pretty much in that order. Though Vivec did kill Tiber Septim once...but I mentioned Talos, not the Emperor.
    Goddamit Kirkblade, he writes such interesting shit but then I read this and I just get confused all over again. Wasn't Trinimac eaten by Boethia and turned into Malacath? Does that mean Malacath is super powerful as well? Or is Trinimac just floating around without a corporeal form and Malacath is just the result of his body being eaten? And I hadn't even heard of the HoonDing until I googled it a few minutes ago. URhghghghg. Sometime I feel like he just writes the first, most ridiculous thing that comes to his head just to fuck with us. Also, good to see that there is a theoretical state beyond CHIM, now I don't understand all over again.

    Ruma gave birth to herself, and her father was the father. She also gave birth to her brother, but he is not her son.
    o ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragothica View Post
    Oh Dragonborn, was fun while it lasted.

    The first dungeon I went in was fine, no technical problems at all but now when I started the Dragonborn DLC main storyline the game completely broke into pieces. I've already thrown the towel out of the window but still. Skyrim process just randomly got stuck, while moving around or even in loading the save game. I trust my ability to enable mods so I don't think it is a mod issue though, probably just something in Dragonborn itself which broke down. I kind of tried everything to get it work, loaded without mods, loaded earlier save game etc. Always crashes in way or another.

    I didn't even have many mods installed, only official DLC's and their unofficial patches, SkyUI & SKSE, Better Sorting & Better World Map With Roads. Just for the curious, I even used BOSS for proper load order and cleared the .esm with TESEdit. I don't know if I ever want to install Skyrim again as it would require me to reroll a new character once more.. Not worth it..
    I have about 20 mods installed (mainly character appearance and cosmetic things like armor changes, custom follower ) and have not had a problem so far
    it would be one of your mods causing it, only thing I could suggest is going through you list and uninstalling each or all checking which is causing the problem
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