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    I went Visage because I had to. Their team was heavy AP: Rumble, Nidalee, Zyra, Nasus AP and Tristana was AD but doing almost 0 damage.

    That a long with WotA from a Karthus, which was playing so fucking bad(the dude wasn't even using his Q), gave me a lot of sustain. I just don't think Rylai's would be better over a Void Staff or maybe even Zhonya's.

    I just didn't get Zhonya's because they only had one ad, which was doing 0 damage, and I felt like it would be bad to get it, even if just for the passive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derp singed View Post
    I personally wouldnt go for Spirit Visage. Rylais is nearly always a good choice on vlad.
    Exactly what I was thinking.

    Well if you aren't forced to get SV next time, then the Mask is a must-get when you buy a Crystal Scepter.. Especially next patch, because they're adding more HP to it, which is good for Vlad's passive!

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    Spirit Visage is a lot better than it used to be I believe, and like I said, heavy AP team, that and a Scepter put me at 130 MR, more less, plus the sustain from two wotas, mine and Karthu's, and Visage's passive, I was getting about 200 Hp from every Q at level 18 with almost 700 AP I believe. Also was CDR capped.

    I don't know but I just don't think Rylai's seems that much good on him, atleast not in every game, and every time I pick it, eh, it just feels meh. I don't really like to really on hitting abilities just to slow people, especially when most teams already have some kind of CC(I had a Lee in our team, he could easily use his E on everyone).

    So yeah... Meep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    Are you kidding? Curse.NA has been beating pretty much every NA team since the start of Season 3. They are pretty much on my list as the top team for the most part this year... That or CLG.NA but didn't they lose somebody recently?
    They still can't beat TSM outright. TSM can play at the level of most European teams. They suffer from the same inconsistency as Curse, it just doesn't matter in the NA scene because on their worst day they are better than pretty much every NA team. Curse is looking really strong right now though. If they keep improving they could be a great team in S3.

    And before we pull out the Curse beats TSM in scrims rumors, while that may be true, every major tournament where TSM goes against Curse it ends either 2-0 or 2-1 TSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    Spirit Visage is a lot better than it used to be I believe, and like I said, heavy AP team, that and a Scepter put me at 130 MR, more less, plus the sustain from two wotas, mine and Karthu's, and Visage's passive, I was getting about 200 Hp from every Q at level 18 with almost 700 AP I believe. Also was CDR capped.

    I don't know but I just don't think Rylai's seems that much good on him, atleast not in every game, and every time I pick it, eh, it just feels meh. I don't really like to really on hitting abilities just to slow people, especially when most teams already have some kind of CC(I had a Lee in our team, he could easily use his E on everyone).

    So yeah... Meep.
    The point of it is the HP (one of the other choices for an AP/HP item is ROA but that has mana which is wasted on Vlad so your choices are few), plus he has a single target spell and can actually abuse the passive. You don't want vlad to go squish squish or forget to use the passive to its fullest. Plus, MR items aren't 'as' effective as they used to be because of the introduction of Liandry's and the still present Void Staff, helping AP's ignore MR. So HP is nothing but good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infighter View Post
    Apparently I just missed the greatest comeback of the year... anyone who watched the latest blaze vs frost fight can tell what exactly happened? Reddit is speaking in riddles.
    It was in the 4th game. Frost had a huge lead - don't recall all the numbers, but they had more than double the kills, all the barons AND took down all inhibitors while they had lost only the 1st tier towers. Game looked as if it had been decided and Blaze could only drag it out, but through a series of well executed team fights and insane farming on their Caitlyn (nearly 600 farm by the end, 6 item build AND sold the boots for more damage. ) they overturned it and won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombkirby View Post
    The point of it is the HP, plus he has a single target spell and can actually abuse the passive. You don't want vlad to go squish squish. Plus, MR items aren't 'as' effective as they used to be because of the introduction of Liandry's and the still present Void Staff, helping AP's ignore MR. So HP is nothing but good.
    Yeah, I know that, that was one of the reasons I went for it, because of the HP, not because of the passive or the AP it gives. Before I even considered getting that, I just wanted some HP to be able to sustain/hold burst from the other team, then I saw what items I could build from that and it was either Warmog's or that, so I just went with Rylai's because I needed the damage, and the slow wasn't that bad tbh.

    Even so, I think I'm just being thick here, haha, I don't really like that over a Void Staff or maybe Zhonya's, gah, I don't know, just weird, I'm having this problem for a while now...

    As for MR items being not very effective because of Liandry's. How so? I know that it does quite a lot of damage but assuming you're always getting hit by something, the debuff will always refresh and I don't think the damage will be that high if someone is always using an ability on you, since it's always refreshing, but I don't really know that.

    Either way, I doubt an item ruins or makes MR less effective as it has always been.
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    Spirit Shroud is great for Vlad. The Health and CDR are awesome. Instead of the Scepter, you could've considered Liandry's as well. Especially since Vlad is more about poking people down than bursting their face in.

    I do like Zhonya's on him as well, but his choices did get a bit better nowadays. I'd imagine his ult+dfg could be pretty darn hilarious as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    Yeah, I know that, that was one of the reasons I went for it, because of the HP, not because of the passive or the AP it gives. Before I even considered getting that, I just wanted some HP to be able to sustain/hold burst from the other team, then I saw what items I could build from that and it was either Warmog's or that, so I just went with Rylai's because I needed the damage, and the slow wasn't that bad tbh.

    Even so, I think I'm just being thick here, haha, I don't really like that over a Void Staff or maybe Zhonya's, gah, I don't know, just weird, I'm having this problem for a while now...

    As for MR items being not very effective because of Liandry's. How so? I know that it does quite a lot of damage but assuming you're always getting hit by something, the debuff will always refresh and I don't think the damage will be that high if someone is always using an ability on you, since it's always refreshing, but I don't really know that.

    Either way, I doubt an item ruins or makes MR less effective as it has always been.
    With Rylai's/Liandries you get 10% of the enemies' HP burned away. Its a pretty good deal. One of the most popular combination of items. Definitely try it out again. Give it a chance and maybe you'll get better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    Spirit Shroud is great for Vlad. The Health and CDR are awesome. Instead of the Scepter, you could've considered Liandry's as well. Especially since Vlad is more about poking people down than bursting their face in.
    I actually never considered going Liandry's over Scepter.

    Since it has the MR I need, gives AP and the passive isn't that bad. I need to try that when I get him next time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bombkirby View Post
    With Rylai's/Liandries you get 10% of the enemies' HP burned away. Its a pretty good deal. One of the most popular combination of items. Definitely try it out again. Give it a chance and maybe you'll get better results.
    Yeah.

    Maybe... I always try and poke with him now that I think a bit better about it. That game I was always trying to poke people and I could do it fairly well, even when their Nasus was W'ing me lol.

    I never really thought about it tbh, I am kinda still stuck with the S2 build I guess.


    And yeah, Duilliath, Visage is pretty good on him now more than ever I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    It was in the 4th game. Frost had a huge lead - don't recall all the numbers, but they had more than double the kills, all the barons AND took down all inhibitors while they had lost only the 1st tier towers. Game looked as if it had been decided and Blaze could only drag it out, but through a series of well executed team fights and insane farming on their Caitlyn (nearly 600 farm by the end, 6 item build AND sold the boots for more damage. ) they overturned it and won.
    Boohoo why didn't I keep watching. qq

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    oh my god..

    What did you do to my Vayne, Infighter...?

    I'm going to kill you, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    oh my god..

    What did you do to my Vayne, Infighter...?

    I'm going to kill you, man.
    http://i.imgur.com/fGJSU.jpg
    Vayne?

    There is no Vayne... only Draaaaaaven.

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    http://bashtech.net/twitch/download....ream=OnGameNet

    for anyone who missed the blaze/frost game 4 i just found this, game 4 is in the files at 13:10 and 13:40 time stamps i believe. (mod remove if putting this link is not allowed for some reason.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infighter View Post
    http://i.imgur.com/fGJSU.jpg
    Vayne?

    There is no Vayne... only Draaaaaaven.
    You're evil for doing this to my Vayne.

    Stupid, Draven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    You're evil for doing this to my Vayne.

    Stupid, Draven.
    Jayce version wasn't even half as fun or I would have used him.

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    I have no idea how to mid as Lee sin really. See video, see people rape shit. Join a game, get baffled on how to actually hit a Q between 15 minions. Fall of hard lategame.

    Urgh.

    Khaz seems easier in every single way. Once 6 you can clear super fast. Your initiate isn't a skillshot, and your damage seems to be higher too.

    I'm baffled.

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    Protip: his W is the most fckn OP ability in whole game. (Ok now this can apply both to Lee Sin and Kha'zix honestly)

    W nearby minion as if you were playing Irelia (who targets nearby enemy minion with low health, you get friendly ones).
    If you can't do it buy wards.

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    Have I missed some nerfs to Shyvana, or why is it that people think she's bad?

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    Great clear, not so great ganks unfortunately
    Meh.

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