1. #26901
    Quote Originally Posted by agnow View Post
    Yay! i can play ap tryndamere finally this champion is usefull for something

    NERF BAT!

    ty riot.. now he is even more useless..
    There should really be downvotes for retarded comments like that. Read the reasons for the change ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by meteo View Post
    Wouldn't be too bad but Rene instead of Darius and Taric instead of Janna for an insane Armor shred team and insane amounht of damage from MF ult.
    Well early game they will dominate. The problem is most players aren't smart enough to push such an advantage so you lose in the end. Not saying all AD teams are bad, it's just they aren't used for a reason, and needing only one defensive stat to counter them is why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFK-Champion View Post
    There should really be downvotes for retarded comments like that. Read the reasons for the change ...
    Implying i didn't have..

    it's not like AP Trynd goes around raping everyone and wins all games.. i'm sure ap trynd wins under 50% of his game... he is strong in lane yes i can see that.. but so are garen and many others..
    Take him down early on and he won't be such a problem later on

    They have nerfed tryndamere so much that his AD isn't viable because his kit can get counteres very easily..
    AP trynd was viable and finally the champ got played.. but no.. ofc they nerf it 3-4 days after tons of people start playing it because people don't know how to counter..
    The way they did it isn't good.. you have to get rage to be able to heal and the best way to get rage is by being ad..

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    Anyone happen to catch Xelnath's new title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agnow View Post
    Implying i didn't have..

    it's not like AP Trynd goes around raping everyone and wins all games.. i'm sure ap trynd wins under 50% of his game... he is strong in lane yes i can see that.. but so are garen and many others..
    Take him down early on and he won't be such a problem later on

    They have nerfed tryndamere so much that his AD isn't viable because his kit can get counteres very easily..
    AP trynd was viable and finally the champ got played.. but no.. ofc they nerf it 3-4 days after tons of people start playing it because people don't know how to counter..
    The way they did it isn't good.. you have to get rage to be able to heal and the best way to get rage is by being ad..
    I think they nerfed this right. It keeps the full heal at max fury, while making it manageable to play against in lane. As it is now, you cannot push an AP Trynd out of lane because he is manaless and can just heal back all your harass. Now he actually needs to build up the heal making it much more rewarding to harass Trynd, where right now it's just a waste of mana.

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    Anyone happen to catch Xelnath's new title?
    I perfer Morello's new title. Nerf Master Suck Town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reluctant View Post
    Talon is great yea. But get used to dumb people bitching you should take an Ap champ mid.
    Yeah. Unfortunately way too true. Had a game where I got bitched at for going J4 mid(winning my lane and roaming), and I got yelled at for "not having an AP mid, so we don't have burst" by my feeding botlane.
    Apparently getting used to new meta/options is very hard for some people.

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    Just a semi-quick..semi-serious question. Is saying someone was useless during the game "verbal abuse"? I know, it sorta is..if you call them useless TO them, but to say they were after?

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    Honestly, Morello has been getting on my nerves since the Shaco nerf... Shaco didn't need any touching for Deceive but oh no that's OP, longer range than flash. Seriously that's part of Shaco and it hasn't been an issue. He was fine as he was though I have no issue with two shiv. That change kind of baffled me, it really wasn't needed and the Tryndamere nerf was completely out of line. I understand they have visions for a champion etc. but sometimes that vision doesn't go the exact way it was supposed to go. There is nothing wrong with an AP Tryndamere, Riot didn't plan him to be AP but honestly what's wrong with it. Basically it's them saying whatever vision they have goes and AP Tryndamere isn't there.

    Just remake him already.
    You've probably never heard of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    Honestly, Morello has been getting on my nerves since the Shaco nerf... Shaco didn't need any touching for Deceive but oh no that's OP, longer range than flash. Seriously that's part of Shaco and it hasn't been an issue. He was fine as he was though I have no issue with two shiv. That change kind of baffled me, it really wasn't needed and the Tryndamere nerf was completely out of line. I understand they have visions for a champion etc. but sometimes that vision doesn't go the exact way it was supposed to go. There is nothing wrong with an AP Tryndamere, Riot didn't plan him to be AP but honestly what's wrong with it. Basically it's them saying whatever vision they have goes and AP Tryndamere isn't there.

    Just remake him already.
    Spammable free heal that requires zero setup? Don't tell me that's not wrong. All that changed is that now you need to build up some fury to heal the harass back instead of sticking a finger up the brown cavern and fiddling it at the opponent trying to do anything.
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  10. #26910
    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    I think they nerfed this right. It keeps the full heal at max fury, while making it manageable to play against in lane. As it is now, you cannot push an AP Trynd out of lane because he is manaless and can just heal back all your harass. Now he actually needs to build up the heal making it much more rewarding to harass Trynd, where right now it's just a waste of mana.



    I perfer Morello's new title. Nerf Master Suck Town.

    but getting fury on a ap trynd isn't something you just do.. 1.5 to 0.2 is just way too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    Shaco didn't need any touching for Deceive but oh no that's OP, longer range than flash.
    What's the main point of Flash? It's an escape (ignore aggressive uses for this). So why would you take an escape that doesn't let you escape a champion. It's completely pointless, every champion's .. "things".. can be countered in a specific way. There is no way to counter a longer-than-flash-range ability. It's not fun to play against things that you can't do a single thing against which is why it was nerfed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    Honestly, Morello has been getting on my nerves since the Shaco nerf... Shaco didn't need any touching for Deceive but oh no that's OP, longer range than flash. Seriously that's part of Shaco and it hasn't been an issue. He was fine as he was though I have no issue with two shiv. That change kind of baffled me, it really wasn't needed and the Tryndamere nerf was completely out of line. I understand they have visions for a champion etc. but sometimes that vision doesn't go the exact way it was supposed to go. There is nothing wrong with an AP Tryndamere, Riot didn't plan him to be AP but honestly what's wrong with it. Basically it's them saying whatever vision they have goes and AP Tryndamere isn't there.

    Just remake him already.
    Statikk explains it quite well. He had no counterplay. You do not beat and AP Trynd in lane because there is no reliable counter to his massive heal. Now that it relies on fury to be that same insane heal, he now has a little counterplay similar to AD Trynd, don't let him build up fury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    What's the main point of Flash? It's an escape (ignore aggressive uses for this). So why would you take an escape that doesn't let you escape a champion. It's completely pointless, every champion's .. "things".. can be countered in a specific way. There is no way to counter a longer-than-flash-range ability. It's not fun to play against things that you can't do a single thing against which is why it was nerfed.
    Well actually you can deal with Shaco, you just have no idea how to counter him do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    Statikk explains it quite well. He had no counterplay. You do not beat and AP Trynd in lane because there is no reliable counter to his massive heal. Now that it relies on fury to be that same insane heal, he now has a little counterplay similar to AD Trynd, don't let him build up fury.
    But 0.2? Axe, even you have to think that's a bit much.
    You've probably never heard of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    Well actually you can deal with Shaco, you just have no idea how to counter him do you? [COLOR="red"]
    You just completely ignored my point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    But 0.2? Axe, even you have to think that's a bit much.
    It's actually 0.3 now. I Still think it's fine. You still get the full heal at 100 fury, and even small amounts or fury can increase the heal by large amounts.

    Here is a great point from Certainlyt on AP Trynd: "Having a manaless 7.2 sec CD >500 hp heal on a champion with a 5.4 second CD wall hop and an invulnerability ult may be fun to play as, but that unending split push threat was just about the most frustrating thing ever to play against."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    It's actually 0.3 now. I Still think it's fine. You still get the full heal at 100 fury, and even small amounts or fury can increase the heal by large amounts.

    Here is a great point from Certainlyt on AP Trynd: "Having a manaless 7.2 sec CD >500 hp heal on a champion with a 5.4 second CD wall hop and an invulnerability ult may be fun to play as, but that unending split push threat was just about the most frustrating thing ever to play against."
    So AP Tryndamere is a split pusher?
    You've probably never heard of him.

  17. #26917
    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    So AP Tryndamere is a split pusher?
    yes. he can solo towers currently without any minions. he still hits hard with base damage, and once he gets ap he starts destroying towers for the same reason a super fed AP carry does(40% of AP > tower damage)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dengatron View Post
    yes. he can solo towers currently without any minions. he still hits hard with base damage, and once he gets ap he starts destroying towers for the same reason a super fed AP carry does(40% of AP > tower damage)
    He also gets free AD from his Q. The less health he has, the more AD he gets. Most also build Nashor's, so you get some nice AS there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzual View Post
    What's the main point of Flash? It's an escape (ignore aggressive uses for this). So why would you take an escape that doesn't let you escape a champion. It's completely pointless, every champion's .. "things".. can be countered in a specific way. There is no way to counter a longer-than-flash-range ability. It's not fun to play against things that you can't do a single thing against which is why it was nerfed.
    Id rather have Ezreals E drasticly nerfed than Shaco's Q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dengatron View Post
    yes. he can solo towers currently without any minions. he still hits hard with base damage, and once he gets ap he starts destroying towers for the same reason a super fed AP carry does(40% of AP > tower damage)
    Well, I might try this out. If someone could give me ideas on how to build him etc. I'd be greatly interested... Honestly I just saw a 1.5 to 0.3 and I'm thinking, "Surely that's a bit much". And fury farming isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do.
    You've probably never heard of him.

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