1. #26981
    Quote Originally Posted by Sivalion View Post
    that katarina was such a tool -_-
    Indeed he was. Didn't we get a double jungle, and an AD Alistar after that? Must've been our best day so far in normals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampant Rabbit View Post
    Indeed he was. Didn't we get a double jungle, and an AD Alistar after that? Must've been our best day so far in normals.
    Yup T_T.

    Atleast we managed to carry the game with the Katarina!

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    This is going to be some seriously weird time now. Connecting from South Korea to EUW

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  5. #26985
    How badly is Vi getting nerfed in the next patch? I know its still in the PBE, but it seems like they're hitting her hard, from base AD of 58 to 50, and the % on W. Anyone knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpoker View Post
    How badly is Vi getting nerfed in the next patch? I know its still in the PBE, but it seems like they're hitting her hard, from base AD of 58 to 50, and the % on W. Anyone knows?
    In addition to that base AD nerf, the W % health damage is being reduced to 4/5.5/7/8.5/10%, down from 6/7/8/9/10%, which is a nerf to her early game antics. There were some R nerfs on several PBE builds, but those appear to have been reverted because they see the % health damage and her base damage as the problem, not the ult damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    In addition to that base AD nerf, the W % health damage is being reduced to 4/5.5/7/8.5/10%, down from 6/7/8/9/10%, which is a nerf to her early game antics. There were some R nerfs on several PBE builds, but those appear to have been reverted because they see the % health damage and her base damage as the problem, not the ult damage.
    Damn seems like a rather hefty nerf overall. Most Vi's leave W at lvl 1 till the end right? She's meant to deal dmg, and if they're nerfing that badly then i don't know what will she be good for then.

    That next patch will bring about Garen, Taric, Riven and Vi nerfs, which is coincidentally the heroes i play most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpoker View Post
    Damn seems like a rather hefty nerf overall. Most Vi's leave W at lvl 1 till the end right? She's meant to deal dmg, and if they're nerfing that badly then i don't know what will she be good for then.

    That next patch will bring about Garen, Taric, Riven and Vi nerfs, which is coincidentally the heroes i play most.
    Why do you want W to be lvl1? Her Q is worthless outside of being second gap-closer/initiation instrument, and means of finishing W combination. I never had to use Q twice in early/mid game in teamfight/gank situations and its damage compared to AS + damage burst from W sucks.
    Anyway, even if you leave W on level 1, how is this nerf (2% of max health as phis. damage) is gamebreaking?
    If you assume that target have 2k health at level 11 (mid game with sunfire) and 100 armor W will deal:
    Pre nerf: 120 damage (66,6 after passing dented armor)
    After nerf: 80 damage (44,4 after passing dented armor)
    You can add AD scaling on W here, ArP marks+quints, ArP items and so on, but still, this nerf won't make Vi useless.

    And since when bruisers started to be a pure DD? I always thought that Vi is picked for her disrupting Ult, ArP debuff, not being useless while skills on CD, but not for damage from W.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Why do you want W to be lvl1? Her Q is worthless outside of being second gap-closer/initiation instrument, and means of finishing W combination. I never had to use Q twice in early/mid game in teamfight/gank situations and its damage compared to AS + damage burst from W sucks.
    Anyway, even if you leave W on level 1, how is this nerf (2% of max health as phis. damage) is gamebreaking?
    If you assume that target have 2k health at level 11 (mid game with sunfire) and 100 armor W will deal:
    Pre nerf: 120 damage (66,6 after passing dented armor)
    After nerf: 80 damage (44,4 after passing dented armor)
    You can add AD scaling on W here, ArP marks+quints, ArP items and so on, but still, this nerf won't make Vi useless.

    And since when bruisers started to be a pure DD? I always thought that Vi is picked for her disrupting Ult, ArP debuff, not being useless while skills on CD, but not for damage from W.
    Her W is a 1 point wonder. Her Q CD at rank 1 is huge and you NEED it to be effective in team fights. It procs a W hit, briefly interrupts the target, and offers mobility. Q helps your W by making it easier to stay on targets and applying a stack, while also offering other benefits. Your W doesn't even become twice as effective from rank 1 to rank 5. It's a great ability, but it works a lot better at rank 1 than her other abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    Her W is a 1 point wonder. Her Q CD at rank 1 is huge and you NEED it to be effective in team fights. It procs a W hit, briefly interrupts the target, and offers mobility. Q helps your W by making it easier to stay on targets and applying a stack, while also offering other benefits. Your W doesn't even become twice as effective from rank 1 to rank 5. It's a great ability, but it works a lot better at rank 1 than her other abilities.
    I don't need it every 8 seconds to kill an enemy, and to catch a sneaky enemy (Ez for example), and maxing W gives you 20% more AS after engaging fight (Q into auto-attack into E)
    And if you are out of your target for 8 seconds (CD of Q at max rank) you won't catch him again. And skill-shot based gap closers don't help you to stay on target. If you miss it/got blocked/enemy flashed away from it, you are fucked, and have only Ult to catch him, you don't have time to wait for Qs CD. Currently, you need someone else to keep your target in place (or your target don't try to get away).
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    It's a nerf to jungle anyway, Junglers max E first for faster clear and lizard procs. It's to make her ganks a bit less brutal.

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    That next patch will bring about Garen, Taric, Riven and Vi nerfs, which is coincidentally the heroes i play most.
    Tarics getting buffed isn't he? Damage-wise at least unless I read the notes totally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelle View Post
    Tarics getting buffed isn't he? Damage-wise at least unless I read the notes totally wrong.
    He's getting nerfs to his support ability, due to his W armor aura now being based on a percentage of his armor (12%) instead of a fixed number on live. Also, his passive has been changed to his AAs dealing bonus magic damage based on his maximum mana, instead of regenerating mana on AAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelle View Post
    Tarics getting buffed isn't he? Damage-wise at least unless I read the notes totally wrong.
    Support Taric is indeed getting nerfed, manly lone wolf Taric however is getting buffed. Gems are outrageous and they're coming to the top lane. I don't think he will become something awesome that gets played all the time, but it does give people the opportunity to play Taric in the top lane when they want to be manly. They're lowering the mana cost of his abilities to make up for his old passive being removed.

    I only wish he could stack tears at a decent speed, then I would go crazy for Muramana top lane Taric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    Support Taric is indeed getting nerfed, manly lone wolf Taric however is getting buffed. Gems are outrageous and they're coming to the top lane. I don't think he will become something awesome that gets played all the time, but it does give people the opportunity to play Taric in the top lane when they want to be manly. They're lowering the mana cost of his abilities to make up for his old passive being removed.

    I only wish he could stack tears at a decent speed, then I would go crazy for Muramana top lane Taric.
    Well on a purely selfish note I'm happy to see him nerfed, I dislike playing him, and laning against him (lolstun), I'm not sure he deserves nerfs, but by all means make him top lanes problem!

  16. #26996
    Been playing alot of lux lately, unranked games because im not lvl 30 yet but im excited for them. Mid lux is just fun the control i can put on people is just fantastic (Expecially once i get blue)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapzer View Post
    Been playing alot of lux lately, unranked games because im not lvl 30 yet but im excited for them. Mid lux is just fun the control i can put on people is just fantastic (Expecially once i get blue)
    And with max CDR and even a little bit of AP/magic pen, you can just keep fishing for QER/EQR combos that instantly erase an enemy while sieging towers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drathos View Post
    And with max CDR and even a little bit of AP/magic pen, you can just keep fishing for QER/EQR combos that instantly erase an enemy while sieging towers.
    There's been a LCS match recently with a good Lux - don't recall which one, but at least once she caught enemy Twitch into an entire combo and literally 100-0 erased him from existence. Lux combo is scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelle View Post
    Well on a purely selfish note I'm happy to see him nerfed, I dislike playing him, and laning against him (lolstun), I'm not sure he deserves nerfs, but by all means make him top lanes problem!
    I think he needs a nerf on the armour front (especially the armour given to allies) because it just makes a lane so frustrating. This is why people hate Taric+Graves, suddenly you're fighting two people with 80 armour at low level, no matter how badly you're outplaying them landing a kill takes more effort than it should. Your best chance of winning a lane vs Taric is all-inning at level 1, and maybe level 6 based on your comp. At all other times you may as well AFK farm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    I think he needs a nerf on the armour front (especially the armour given to allies) because it just makes a lane so frustrating. This is why people hate Taric+Graves, suddenly you're fighting two people with 80 armour at low level, no matter how badly you're outplaying them landing a kill takes more effort than it should. Your best chance of winning a lane vs Taric is all-inning at level 1, and maybe level 6 based on your comp. At all other times you may as well AFK farm.
    Graves+Taric has an insane power spike at 6. REW+EQWR from, respectively, Taric and Graces erases you from existence before you notice they have moved in. I'm not sure any combo has more power at lvl 6.
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