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    I prefer a splash-damage heavy Kayle jungle, so I usually go Sorc Treads(or defensive boots depending on enemy comp), Elder Lizard, Nashor's Tooth and Liandry's as core items, and after that I either aim for tanky stuff or more AP(Deathcap, Zhonya's, Rylai's)
    But the Elder Lizard, Nashor's and Liandry's are definately core, because they all make your Q stronger(and Q makes Liandry's stronger on that target) and both of the DoTs work with your E.

    For skill order I start E(obviously), then go either W or Q, depending on how much help I got on dogs/blue, and at 3 I take the ability I haven't put points into yet. After that I max R>Q>E>W. The reason for taking W before the game forces you to is for the sprint, which helps quite a bit.

    For masteries I go with my special Kayle page(21/9/0) getting both types of penetration in offense and sticking the rest in the defensive masteries that everybody takes.
    AS reds, MS quints, flat armor yellows, scaling MR blues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deylana View Post
    So... how do I shot Kayle jungle?

    What kind of build, AS/AP? Hybrid? AD? What to max first and second, what to put my points in for the level 3 gank and what kinda runes are preferable?

    I can't seem to find a decent guide for it, so I'm curious what people who've done it before do.
    zerker graves, botrk, sotel, nashor's tooth, tenacity AS-item (my memory is failing me atm, cannot remember the name... z-something), randuins/warmogs

    AS reds, MS quints / AS reds, AD quints

    9/21/0 or 21/9/0

    E > W > Q (lv3 ganks) / E > Q > W (lv2 ganks) -> Max R > E > Q > W

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    Zephyr is what you're thinking of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okuu View Post
    I could be looking through reversed binoculars into a stained glass window 10 meters away from my computer and I could still easily tell the difference.
    Are you for real.
    Yes??? You guys are dramatizing this. If he hadn't gotten the whole Ice Troll crap and that would've been his new default I bet no one would've complained because it's basically an updated version of him. Just slightly bulkier.

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    Thanks for the Kayle stuff guys, definitely a bit different from what I was trying and helpful ^^
    Meh.

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    If you want a guide there is this. I haven't lost a single Jungle Kayle game yet following it.

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    What daaa fuuuuck Hecarim


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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkthepunk View Post
    What daaa fuuuuck Hecarim

    [video=youtube;M9TqhZxJ_28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9TqhZxJ_28[video]
    Reminded me of this vid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infighter View Post
    Yes??? You guys are dramatizing this. If he hadn't gotten the whole Ice Troll crap and that would've been his new default I bet no one would've complained because it's basically an updated version of him. Just slightly bulkier.
    I care less about the visual update (though I'm not a fan of it), than completely gutting his lore and personality.

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    Is the PBE unavailable atm or is it just me...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    I care less about the visual update (though I'm not a fan of it), than completely gutting his lore and personality.
    That, I agree with. The whole "I'm now a big bad troll" thing was pretty shitty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infighter View Post
    That, I agree with. The whole "I'm now a big bad troll" thing was pretty shitty.
    I just picked him up to start jungling with, and I already think I'll miss how he is now.
    <-- That is otterly adorable.

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    I'll miss his current /laugh..

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    A small PBE build is being deployed, and the major change is Muramana's bonus damage being physical instead of magic now. So it's a buff to the physical damage dealers that use it (i.e. Kha'Zix, Jayce, Urgot), but a nerf to the magic damage dealers that use it. (i.e. Ryze, Syndra)

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    Zac should be lowered to 6,3k in price today, right?

    Excuse me, are you saying something? Nah, you can't tell me nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    A small PBE build is being deployed, and the major change is Muramana's bonus damage being physical instead of magic now. So it's a buff to the physical damage dealers that use it (i.e. Kha'Zix, Jayce, Urgot), but a nerf to the magic damage dealers that use it. (i.e. Ryze, Syndra)
    I like this a lot. It's not a big nerf for Ryze, anyway... it's gonna be harder to itemize against him now with it being physical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infighter View Post
    Yes??? You guys are dramatizing this. If he hadn't gotten the whole Ice Troll crap and that would've been his new default I bet no one would've complained because it's basically an updated version of him. Just slightly bulkier.
    Notrly old model was better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riboe View Post
    I'll have to agree with Infighter.

    Sure, the two are different... But the changes are not that big.
    His arms and legs are no longer noodles and his nose is a bit smaller.
    Then there's the updated texture, which isn't that different from the original. It's a bit lighter and has gotten some blue added to it, that's it.
    >A bit lighter
    Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho.

  18. #29098
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeh View Post
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.
    He's a short-ranged ADC, so poking him with the longer ranged ADCs (i.e. Caitlyn) is the way to go, remembering to keep your distance. Also, he gets free Armor and MR due to his passive, so take that into account whenever you try to engage him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeh View Post
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.
    What Thallidomaniac said. Keep your distance until mid/late game, when his short range means he has to get further in to team fights making him easier to pick off than other adc's. Pick supports like taric, thresh, or even a quick janna who can catch him when he leaps on so you can get far away enough to not get the full damage of his buckshot and so you can get a few hits on him. Do not stand right next to your partner, as that will just mean you take more damage and get double blinded, and remember that he can blind you in the bush and then engage. A good graves is going to have his support distract you so he can get in, since if he can buckshot and then leap back that's optimal for him, so if his support suddenly goes aggressive watch for the incoming smoke screen and engage. If you pick after him, go for a long ranged champ so you can farm safely, and hold out until mid game. Graves is all about positioning, and if you can out maneuver him a lot of the threat he poses is lost.
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