1. #29081
    Zac should be lowered to 6,3k in price today, right?

    Excuse me, are you saying something? Nah, you can't tell me nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    A small PBE build is being deployed, and the major change is Muramana's bonus damage being physical instead of magic now. So it's a buff to the physical damage dealers that use it (i.e. Kha'Zix, Jayce, Urgot), but a nerf to the magic damage dealers that use it. (i.e. Ryze, Syndra)
    I like this a lot. It's not a big nerf for Ryze, anyway... it's gonna be harder to itemize against him now with it being physical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infighter View Post
    Yes??? You guys are dramatizing this. If he hadn't gotten the whole Ice Troll crap and that would've been his new default I bet no one would've complained because it's basically an updated version of him. Just slightly bulkier.
    Notrly old model was better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riboe View Post
    I'll have to agree with Infighter.

    Sure, the two are different... But the changes are not that big.
    His arms and legs are no longer noodles and his nose is a bit smaller.
    Then there's the updated texture, which isn't that different from the original. It's a bit lighter and has gotten some blue added to it, that's it.
    >A bit lighter
    Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho.

  4. #29084
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeh View Post
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.
    He's a short-ranged ADC, so poking him with the longer ranged ADCs (i.e. Caitlyn) is the way to go, remembering to keep your distance. Also, he gets free Armor and MR due to his passive, so take that into account whenever you try to engage him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeh View Post
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.
    What Thallidomaniac said. Keep your distance until mid/late game, when his short range means he has to get further in to team fights making him easier to pick off than other adc's. Pick supports like taric, thresh, or even a quick janna who can catch him when he leaps on so you can get far away enough to not get the full damage of his buckshot and so you can get a few hits on him. Do not stand right next to your partner, as that will just mean you take more damage and get double blinded, and remember that he can blind you in the bush and then engage. A good graves is going to have his support distract you so he can get in, since if he can buckshot and then leap back that's optimal for him, so if his support suddenly goes aggressive watch for the incoming smoke screen and engage. If you pick after him, go for a long ranged champ so you can farm safely, and hold out until mid game. Graves is all about positioning, and if you can out maneuver him a lot of the threat he poses is lost.
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  7. #29087

    I dont know why I couldnt post a normal reply.

    Hi my names Carl.
    SN is carlvito

    Ive played for about 1-2 years now. No where near good. Still learning different champions. I grew up on Ashe and Garen though(Two easy champs. lol). I know the ins and outs of them. However Im shifting to different people now. Im learning to like Quinn, Lux, Alistar, Annie and Soraka.(Two more easy champs lol) I'm only 25. So no ranked for me yet. I spend most my time in custom games testing out builds, and trying to improve my skills.

    Would love to play with new people so just add me and let me know you found me on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeh View Post
    How do you counter/beat Graves in bot lane? Having a lot of trouble with this one. They aren't hard to cs against, it's the fact that if you engage into him he does twice your damage in 1s. It sort of counters me and my duo friend's playstyle (aggresive, with farming) instead of passive with farming. I'm thinking the counter is passive and farming and waiting for ganks, but at silver it's sort of iffy.
    Hit him when he's not got his passive stacked. Abuse him if he uses Buckshot to shove lane. Punish him for wasting his smokescreen. Outfarm him and become more useful late game.

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    God it just ruins one's will to play when you queue up for Dominion and get into a game where 2 players are afk the first 10 minutes. Unlike Summoner's Rift, you don't have a chance to win the game no matter how well you play.

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    Yeah, afk players on Dominion are the worst thing ever.
    I do manage to win some 4v5 fights though, since some people are just completely dumbfounded how to play Dominion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    Hit him when he's not got his passive stacked. Abuse him if he uses Buckshot to shove lane. Punish him for wasting his smokescreen. Outfarm him and become more useful late game.
    This is all you need to do basically. Wait for him to blow a cooldown (or two), and engage/harass him. He'll miss out on a lot of his combat potential if he's on cooldowns, so that will be the most logical moment to go for him.

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    Oh the joy of owning 18 runepages is beyond me!

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    WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE SERVERS.
    Went into a 3v3. and everyone is lagging like balls.
    Like as if you had over 10k ping.
    We stopped searching for monsters under our beds when we realized that they were inside us.

    Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Rampant Rabbit View Post
    This is all you need to do basically. Wait for him to blow a cooldown (or two), and engage/harass him. He'll miss out on a lot of his combat potential if he's on cooldowns, so that will be the most logical moment to go for him.
    If only I had better mechanics and decision making... I'd be platinum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    If only I had better mechanics and decision making... I'd be platinum!
    Likewise..

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    Just had a game where it felt like we were gonna lose from the get-go, 'cause all the lanes were losing. I was the jungler, so it was kind of hard.

    All we did was mess around trying not to get killed for like 30 minutes, until we decided to farm up in the jungle and take towers when they weren't able to get to them in time.

    Suddenly, a fight brews up in mid, we go in, things look shitty, then our Draven gets a Quadra Kill.
    And that Quadra turned the whole game around, it almost felt like we were stomping them after that.

    Sometimes you just forget that the AD carry is there to carry.

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    Also, am I the only jungler who hates ganking bot? It just feels like it's a waste of time to go there because of all the bloody wards and the fact that it seems so easy for people to get away from there.

    Though it's easier when the other lanes are winning. When all lanes are losing, it's just bloody hard to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man Grading View Post
    Also, am I the only jungler who hates ganking bot? It just feels like it's a waste of time to go there because of all the bloody wards and the fact that it seems so easy for people to get away from there.

    Though it's easier when the other lanes are winning. When all lanes are losing, it's just bloody hard to do anything.
    Play Shaco, laugh with ganks. That or get a support who knows purple wards.

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    something wrong with EU West? Not that I mind the game crash really. Having a Graves ADC who buys Dorans blade against Caith + Zilean is just asking to lose the lane but still ..

  18. #29098
    Game DC'd me and than got Server is busy trying to log back in on EUW soo...something's wrong with it.

  19. #29099
    i just dc'ed to. in the middle of a ranked game we just started to turn around :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    Play Shaco, laugh with ganks. That or get a support who knows purple wards.
    uhhh, it's a bad idea to say the name shaco near old man grading, be careful with that!

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