1. #32261
    Holy fuck at that video, Axe. I laughed so, so much. The dude is all "boom!", "motherfucker" and flashing just get a buff and all. xDDD

    That sure gives me the hype to go and try nunu jungle a lot more than before.

    And poor Zac. lmao Nunu owned that shit like god knows what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    Didn't the shield get nerfed a while ago?
    Yeah, but not enough to completely change the itemization. The same concept applies to pretty much every shield champion. Malphite loves to stack armor because it makes his passive shield better. Evelynn and rumble love to get hourglass/abyssal for their respective shields. Back when Skarner was popular, people stacked armor because keeping up his shield was so important.

    At the end of the day though, the main reason Diana players don't build the Golem spirit item is because it doesn't give them any AP or magic pen, which they need to be relevant in fights. It delays her damage a little bit too much, while only offering HP as a defensive stat, which isn't the most effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drathos View Post
    Stack movementspeed items on jungle Nunu. Mobility Boots, Lichbane, Twin Shadows are all good options. Okay, maybe not Lichbane unless you are super far ahead, but it looks funny! You can easily get 500+ movementspeed with Bloodboil up without getting any "troll" items(so Mobility Boots and Twin Shadows, no Lichbane)
    This could be hilarious if you want to run to your death, faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarasun View Post
    Yeah, but not enough to completely change the itemization. The same concept applies to pretty much every shield champion. Malphite loves to stack armor because it makes his passive shield better. Evelynn and rumble love to get hourglass/abyssal for their respective shields. Back when Skarner was popular, people stacked armor because keeping up his shield was so important.

    At the end of the day though, the main reason Diana players don't build the Golem spirit item is because it doesn't give them any AP or magic pen, which they need to be relevant in fights. It delays her damage a little bit too much, while only offering HP as a defensive stat, which isn't the most effective.
    Sounds reasonable. I actually didn't know that armor affected the shields (any shield I know of stack with AP (or in Riven's case, AD)).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    Sounds reasonable. I actually didn't know that armor affected the shields (any shield I know of stack with AP (or in Riven's case, AD)).
    Armor/MR don't directly increase the shielded amount(the tooltip doesn't say it absorbs more), they make the amount you shield for "stronger", because you take less damage, so it takes longer for the enemies to break through the shield and start damaging your "real" health. Same thing as how armor/MR make each point of health stronger.
    So if you shield for 50 and have 0% damage reduction(from armor or MR, depending on which kind of damage), that shield absorbs 50 damage. If you shield for 50 and have 50% damage reduction, the shield absorbs 100 damage.
    (I hope I didn't mess up the math for once)

    An example of a champion where keeping the shield up for as long as possible is important is Skarner, where you get a bunch of AS and MS while your shield is up, so if you get MR/armor, you keep those bonuses for longer than if you just get more health.

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    I'm in a 2k queue that's estimated to 50 minutes. So nope, not just you. (Where did your post go, Majad?) Now it seems to work again, which is nice.
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    Gold per 10 runes are awesome. Running Taric with gp10 quints+seals and support masteries (+4 more).

    Actually, i miss my armor seals =(
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    Anyone on NA getting insane pings and huge delays while in game?
    In loading screen 4 out of 5 people had 230-280 pings, with only one having normal one, doesn't look right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drathos View Post
    I'm in a 2k queue that's estimated to 50 minutes. So nope, not just you. (Where did your post go, Majad?) Now it seems to work again, which is nice.
    I deleted it when I entered the server but I wasn't able to enter for over 5 mins before that... :/
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    I just caved and blew 8k IP on runes, got those MS quints I've always wanted and finished my set of AS reds. It breaks my heart to spend so much IP on runes Oh well, I shall use them to get MOAR IP and MOAR champs
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deylana View Post
    I just caved and blew 8k IP on runes, got those MS quints I've always wanted and finished my set of AS reds. It breaks my heart to spend so much IP on runes Oh well, I shall use them to get MOAR IP and MOAR champs
    Buy all the things with IP.

    I just finished my sixth rune page and have these so far (Red-Yellow-Blue-Quint):
    Armor-Armor-MR-GP10 (Support)
    MPen-Scaling MP5-Scaling MR-AP (AP Mid)
    AD-Armor-Scaling MR-AD (Various ADs)
    MPen-Armor-Scaling MR-AP (Manaless AP Mid (Vladimir))
    MPen-Armor-MR-MS% (Shen)
    AS-Armor-Scaling MR-AD (Kayle)

    Got 5 spaces left, any pointers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Buy all the things with IP.

    I just finished my sixth rune page and have these so far (Red-Yellow-Blue-Quint):
    Armor-Armor-MR-GP10 (Support)
    MPen-Scaling MP5-Scaling MR-AP (AP Mid)
    AD-Armor-Scaling MR-AD (Various ADs)
    MPen-Armor-Scaling MR-AP (Manaless AP Mid (Vladimir))
    MPen-Armor-MR-MS% (Shen)
    AS-Armor-Scaling MR-AD (Kayle)

    Got 5 spaces left, any pointers?
    No generic auto-attack based jungle page?

    AS-Armor-ScalingMR-MS

    I use HP per Level yellows on my Vlad/Morde (and any other manaless AP)...remember Vlad's passive!

    I keep a generic AP Jungle page too...

    MPen-Armor-ScalingMR-MS

    Just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    No generic auto-attack based jungle page?

    AS-Armor-ScalingMR-MS
    Would be better for Warwick, yes? :3

    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    I use HP per Level yellows on my Vlad/Morde (and any other manaless AP)...remember Vlad's passive!
    Yeah, I got into a bit of a predicament with him. I started buying HP% yellows for him because they scale with his passive, and then thought about HP5 ones because they replace mana regeneration seals. Are either of those options just not worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    Just food for thought.
    Thank you very much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Would be better for Warwick, yes? :3
    Irelia (lol jungle irelia)
    Yi
    Nocturne
    Nunu (unless you go mpen)
    Shen
    Shyvanna
    Skarner
    Trundle?
    Udyr
    Vi?
    Voli?
    Warwick
    Xin


    Not a bad list. I suppose some of those might prefer Armor Pen...it guess it depends if you want faster clear vs. more damage on champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    Irelia (lol jungle irelia)
    Yi
    Nocturne
    Nunu (unless you go mpen)
    Shen
    Shyvanna
    Skarner
    Trundle?
    Udyr
    Vi?
    Voli?
    Warwick
    Xin

    Not a bad list. I suppose some of those might prefer Armor Pen...it guess it depends if you want faster clear vs. more damage on champions.
    Armor Penetration ones are 410 IP a pop, just like the AS ones I've just ground out.

    I mostly play as Warwick and rarely as Nocturne, though, and as Warwick's abilities deal Magic damage, would hybrid penetration ones be an option?
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    If you're jungling with WW, AS reds are the way to go I believe.
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    Pretty sure the rule of thumb for jungle runes is if you have an AS steroid (Xin, Jarvan and such) run ArP if not then use attack speed. Not sure about WW since he does a lot of magic damage though.

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    He does magic damage yeah but AS let's him "proc" his passive more often, both the damage and the heal.

    But this is for early game jungling. No idea how good they get mid/late game, if they are any good during that time. I guess it depends on your build. I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Gold per 10 runes are awesome. Running Taric with gp10 quints+seals and support masteries (+4 more).

    Actually, i miss my armor seals =(
    I'd probably prefer armor over gp10 on Taric. He's quite an aggressive support, and the gp10 does nothing to compliment that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    He does magic damage yeah but AS let's him "proc" his passive more often, both the damage and the heal.

    But this is for early game jungling. No idea how good they get mid/late game, if they are any good during that time. I guess it depends on your build. I don't know.
    I'd definitely pick AS marks for the jungle. Perhaps mixed with AD or MPen. Full MPen for Utilitywick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Rampant Rabbit View Post
    I'd probably prefer armor over gp10 on Taric. He's quite an aggressive support, and the gp10 does nothing to compliment that.
    Same. I do run full on tank mode runes on him, though. Armor quints, red and yellows with MR/lvl blues. 34 Armor from runes lvl 1 GOGOGO :P
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