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i have a feeling sunfire clears quicker
and so does shiv

"Why not both?!"

[NotValidAnymore]

The thing is, you'd be building things for Shen he doesn't need. If you pick Shen, you're expected to be beefy. Sunfire Cape helps you get there, Hydra does not.

You mostly want items that either help you become beefier, or things with attack speed like Statikk Shiv, because attack speed makes his passive happen more often, while AD does not.

The difference between Shiv and Hydra is that Shiv gives A. Spd and Move Speed which Shen needs (or at least he wants), while Hydra gives AD and lifesteal which aren't as useful on him.

Anyway, if it's not a serious game, then you can build whatever you want, of course.

[Acry]

The thing is, you'd be building things for Shen he doesn't need. If you pick Shen, you're expected to be beefy. Sunfire Cape helps you get there, Hydra does not.

You mostly want items that either help you become beefier, or things with attack speed like Statikk Shiv, because attack speed makes his passive happen more often, while AD does not.

The difference between Shiv and Hydra is that Shiv gives A. Spd and Move Speed which Shen needs, while Hydra gives AD and lifesteal which aren't as useful on him.

a+ explanation
shiv + sunfire on him is great
i like sunfire + bork then whatever else i need instead of shiv though , or trinity even

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Sunfire Shen makes me curse and leave my lane.
Ravenous Hydra makes me laugh and destroy him, teabagging his corpse afterward.

[Firebert]

i have a feeling sunfire clears quicker
and so does shiv

Sunfire's 40 magic per second before resistances, RHydra's 60-20% per AA before resistances. At 1AS and assuming equal resistances, RHydra's inner circle wins at 67AD (all the time as RHydra gives 75AD), outer circle wins at 200AD, ignoring the active. Obviously it gets better with more AS/AD, and skews slightly from one to the other depending on enemy resistances. But napkin math.

EDIT: And I they're not the same maximum AoE range either, Sunfire 400, RHydra 185-385.

Probably not the best on Shen as he builds AP/HP/Resistances...

Not sure best how to model Shiv due to its stacking time...

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Anyway, if it's not a serious game, then you can build whatever you want, of course.

Wasn't serious, just wanted to try Hydra as it was brought up earlier

EDIT: I also built Wit's End and was going for something like Frozen Mallet afterwards for strange onhit build lol

[Acry]

shen builds ap? wat
also shen isnt about splitting as much as he used to be tbh
he's just about being able to jump into fights and being really tanky, the splitting is just a side-perk. wouldn't even bother building shiv on him these days.

tryndamere/aatrox/etc all better at splitting

[Firebert]

shen builds ap? wat

He has all AP ratios!

The lack of tanky melee AP items makes me a sad Shen

EDIT: Rylai's doesn't count

[Axethor]

shen builds ap? wat
also shen isnt about splitting as much as he used to be tbh
he's just about being able to jump into fights and being really tanky, the splitting is just a side-perk. wouldn't even bother building shiv on him these days.

tryndamere/aatrox/etc all better at splitting

The tears of many Shen's were harvested the day Ionic spark was removed.

[Deleted]

Trinity Force is pretty amazing on Shen, even before the buffs. Can destroy towers, burst trade with people pretty hard with it. Of course the flaw is it costs a lot, but you can just build a Phage in the early/mid game and then upgrade it once you've gotten SV / SFC. Feels like a much more solid buy than Botrk imo, you're trading a MS steal and some Lifesteal for extra health, consistent Movement speed / MS proc, Sheen proc, small amount of crit & ability power. for only 500 extra gold.

[Soulstrike]

He has all AP ratios!

The lack of tanky melee AP items makes me a sad Shen

EDIT: Rylai's doesn't count

u do realise theres also no AD tanky items lol

[Deleted]

u do realise theres also no AD tanky items lol

Well, Black Cleaver does have HP :d

[personn5]

u do realise theres also no AD tanky items lol

Atma's impaler best item in the game.

[Charge me Doctor]

Atma's impaler best item in the game.

It's like you build 4 health items on Garen, and then "oh, you think i deal no damage? fuck you, Impaler for me!"

[bobsmith06]

triforce shen is only shen dat matters

[Firebert]

u do realise theres also no AD tanky items lol

Malmortius for MR, Zeke's for a little HP, Zephyr for Tenacity, Black Cleaver again for a little HP, Frozen Mallet for HP.

EDIT: And Atma's. Is a bit imbalanced.

[Deleted]

I don't recommend getting Zeke's if you want to get tanky. But yes, it does provide tankiness but there's better out there for a tank that is in a lane or even the jungle.

[Xanjori]

Zeke's is one of the most underestimated items in this game. If you are playing something that can get good use from the CDR and you have a heavy AD team it's by far and away worth it, almost regardless of what champion you are actually on.

But solo Q mentality, where supports believe building CDR boots before Locket is fine.

[Deleted]

But solo Q mentality, where supports believe building CDR boots before Locket is fine.

Why CDR boots when Mobi boots are so much better?

[Soulstrike]

Why CDR boots when Mobi boots are so much better?

but zelly chan we all know mobi boots gives NO combat stats XD so its "bad"

[Xanjori]

but zelly chan we all know mobi boots gives NO combat stats XD so its "bad"

And here we have the perfect example of such a support. Double Gp10, rank 2 boots and no Aegis vs double AP team.