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    as long as it doesnt make queue time longer im fine with it tbh (oceanic why you give me 5-10min queue time on solo q)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    The only saving grace with LFD/LFR is that it makes the lowest population servers and the most wildly one-sided servers (i.e. Sargeras-US Horde is dead) somewhat playable.
    Wonder why those servers are near dead now eh?
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    I've never understood people's hatred for LFR. For some of us who aren't very good at finding guilds but want to raid it gives us an option of doing so. At least I can sit in org, waiting in queue instead of sitting in org hoping to find a group thru trade with all the "YOU MUST HAVE THE GEAR OF THE RAID TO RAID" because that is all I ever saw. But whatever, not the thread for it.

    So long as they make it an option and not force it to be the standard queue, personally, I'm fine with it. I can understand that sometimes you just want to play your best role without having to fight someone for it.

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    Theres a similar mode in Dota called Captains draft. And i seriously doubt it will ever reach ranked because it wont mesh with it.

    You not only select your role/lane but also as a captain you can select the other roles you want to play with. Queue as a Support, and choose that you want a Assassin Mid, a Mage Jungle etc etc. And it will find a group to fit. This wouldnt work for ranked in the slightest. Try finding people who want to have a marksmen mid... for blind normals i have no issue. I dont touch them as its a cesspool of shit. But if this shit makes it to ranked. I hope to fucking god its a seperate queue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    Wonder why those servers are near dead now eh?
    Faction and Server Changes killed off those realms. In one case, Free Character Transfers to ease off Cataclysm release queues killed off a realm's faction balance completely. That was Kel'Thuzad-US, prior to Cata's release, it was a 90/10 A:H ratio, then the Free Transfer was made available for KT and turned it into a 99.99/0.01 A:H ratio.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tortillagirl View Post
    Theres a similar mode in Dota called Captains draft. And i seriously doubt it will ever reach ranked because it wont mesh with it.

    You not only select your role/lane but also as a captain you can select the other roles you want to play with. Queue as a Support, and choose that you want a Assassin Mid, a Mage Jungle etc etc. And it will find a group to fit. This wouldnt work for ranked in the slightest. Try finding people who want to have a marksmen mid... for blind normals i have no issue. I dont touch them as its a cesspool of shit. But if this shit makes it to ranked. I hope to fucking god its a seperate queue.
    There's also deciding which champions would fit the certain lane/role. There are still some people that strongly believe that Mid lane is for AP champions only, despite Zed being a FotM pick, and Kha'Zix before the massive changes to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    Faction and Server Changes killed off those realms. In one case, Free Character Transfers to ease off Cataclysm release queues killed off a realm's faction balance completely. That was Kel'Thuzad-US, prior to Cata's release, it was a 90/10 A:H ratio, then the Free Transfer was made available for KT and turned it into a 99.99/0.01 A:H ratio.
    I was thinking that could have been a major reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    I was thinking that could have been a major reason.
    Racials being Horde favored PvE-wise also contributed to those massive faction and server transfers too. Method and vodka are two big examples of former-Alliance-gone-Horde end-game raiding guilds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    Racials being Horde favored PvE-wise also contributed to those massive faction and server transfers too. Method and vodka are two big examples of former-Alliance-gone-Horde end-game raiding guilds.
    Troll and Orc racials are very good when it comes to bursting important targets down during raids if I remember correctly. To be honest, I just don't want this thing to have any chance of being put into ranked.
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    Guys, don't derail this into a WoW thread now.

    This new system is crap because of the following reasons:
    • People do not want to wait a long time for a game, having support in a game is going to be like other games where nobody plays one role, if that role is required to enter the dungeon/raid/whatever the queue times will skyrocket unless you play that role, in which most cases it will be instant.
    • People can troll even if they use this system. You can get a midlane ahri, but who says she's actually going mid? What if she just fucks you over and goes bot AD Carry instead? There's nothing that prohibits them from doing things like that ingame.
    • Indifferent people are asked to pick a role. Some people don't feel like picking a specific role, or just prefer playing "what's left". With this system you -have- to choose something beforehand. What if this person is good at any role, but does not excel anywhere? What does he pick? There is no "whatever is left" option to choose from.
    • People with unconventional picks will be discriminated. If you want to play Karma top or mid, or even Jarvan top/mid, people will think you're crazy (more so with Karma) and choose not to pick you for their team. This makes getting in a game harder than usual
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    At least when you -do- get into a game, the people there will have bought into Karma top. As opposed to screaming "omg troll, report".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    At least when you -do- get into a game, the people there will have bought into Karma top. As opposed to screaming "omg troll, report".
    Have fun waiting 30 min in queue till you finally get a nutcase who allows people to play Karma top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelly View Post
    Guys, don't derail this into a WoW thread now.

    This new system is crap because of the following reasons:
    • People do not want to wait a long time for a game, having support in a game is going to be like other games where nobody plays one role, if that role is required to enter the dungeon/raid/whatever the queue times will skyrocket unless you play that role, in which most cases it will be instant.
    • People can troll even if they use this system. You can get a midlane ahri, but who says she's actually going mid? What if she just fucks you over and goes bot AD Carry instead? There's nothing that prohibits them from doing things like that ingame.
    • Indifferent people are asked to pick a role. Some people don't feel like picking a specific role, or just prefer playing "what's left". With this system you -have- to choose something beforehand. What if this person is good at any role, but does not excel anywhere? What does he pick? There is no "whatever is left" option to choose from.
    • People with unconventional picks will be discriminated. If you want to play Karma top or mid, or even Jarvan top/mid, people will think you're crazy (more so with Karma) and choose not to pick you for their team. This makes getting in a game harder than usual
    People who were going to troll pick and go adc bot on a random champ that shouldn't be there will do so regardless of a LFR style.

    People who play unconventional champs get flamed to shit already the moment they pick their champ and confirm their lane anyway.

    The only thing I will have to say about the system is it should not go anywhere near ranked obviously. Overall for non ranked casual games it's a good idea as it will create better team synergy and less trolling at the expense of longer queue times.

    Personally I have days where I cba being forced to support over and over because the few hours I had to play made me last pick and no one wanted it, when it's like that I just log off and play something I am going to enjoy for a few hours. I am versitile, I play all roles some better than others but there are days where I just cba to jungle or support or even mid over and over, there are days when all I want to do is chill in top and I would rather log off than end up being forced into a role i don't feel like playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeleh View Post
    People who were going to troll pick and go adc bot on a random champ that shouldn't be there will do so regardless of a LFR style.
    But the reason they praise it is because "it's against trolling". That was my point.
    People who play unconventional champs get flamed to shit already the moment they pick their champ and confirm their lane anyway.
    Yes, but now they can at least wait 25 min extra in queue because people don't want to play with them. Isn't. It. Great? ☜(⌒▽⌒)*
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    I just hate these kind of systems in general, it hurts a game more than it helps.
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    Honestly, if we start making so that every new feature is "bad" because of possibility of trolling and such then no new feature ever should be added because people will always find a way to be dicks.

    I think the new queue is interesting, it's in itself, which means it won't replace blind or draft so if you don't want to play it you aren't exactly forced to. If it will have the issues you are pointing out then they will never make it the way to go for ranked like Draft is now. And even if it was popular and well-received I doubt they would change ranked anyway...

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    What really worries me about this being implemented is that it means they've completely given up on finding some way to "fix" champ select
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deylana View Post
    What really worries me about this being implemented is that it means they've completely given up on finding some way to "fix" champ select
    Whats there to fix, though?

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    The toxicity they've been trying to fix with the player behaviour team for ages? :P
    Meh.

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    Been playing AD thresh today. Why isn't he played as AD more? Not necessarily ADC, but like AD top lane or something. I can chunk an ADC down to less than half in one swing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deylana View Post
    The toxicity they've been trying to fix with the player behaviour team for ages? :P
    You mean Riot thinks they can fix player behavior? It's a competitive game, make it so everyone wins or give them "Good Effort" regardless of who wins or loses at the end of a game. Your team wins the game then so does the enemy team.

    That solution above is satirical, making a point.
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