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    GL Tenhou in your quest for Gold before Hallowe'en.

    I'm the opposite: I've played 126 ranked games and am thoroughly rooted to the bottom of Silver 5. I'll get Gold eventually, but probably not before the end of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenhou View Post
    Just jumped from Silver IV to Silver II
    I guess i might reach Gold V before the season ends after all. Admitedly it might have been more possible if i actually played more games to begin with. Played a total of 41 ranked games now since i started in...April? March? With several friends whining that i should play more ranked :P
    The mermaid shall lead me to victory! ...unless some rusty scumbag takes her before i do, but that thankfully barely ever happens.
    Good luck getting to Gold! Managed to get to gold v myself with janna. :3

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    So I've done my research on Shaco recently (again) and I've noticed in one guide a new build that really works quite well. I've always started with Doran's Blade for the most part because it really is strong on Shaco. As I was reading through this guide it never had a single jungle item on it and I thought (well that's weird), told me to rush tiamat, finish berserkers greaves and ravenous hydra... Sorry if I'm behind on the meta but Ravenous Hydra is the shit on Shaco, you basically make your early game even better than you think it could be.

    http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/23153816#history

    Ignore the shitty Darius and support Nidalee game please.

    I'm not trying to say that Shaco is the new OP jungler but this build seriously, it's bullshit how good it is on Shaco.

    EDIT: Weird, lolking doesn't show that one of those games only lasted 16 minutes but defaults games to 25 mins.
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    I'd do IE first instead of Hydra. The burst you get is a lot higher than with Hydra due to the crit increase + dmg, then build Hydra and maybe LW if the squishes are going for armour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    I'd do IE first instead of Hydra. The burst you get is a lot higher than with Hydra due to the crit increase + dmg, then build Hydra and maybe LW if the squishes are going for armour.
    I can see what you're saying though my biggest issue with not building any form of lifesteal early on Shaco is that he does get close and personal and being the squishy he is means he doesn't necessarily get out of fights on high health. I found that rushing an early RH is really good for jungle clearing too so that is also why I'd prefer to go with it earlier.

    Also the active on RH (or Tiamat) is just so damn good for dishing out early damage and Tiamat is nowhere near as expensive as rushing an IE.
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    I generally tend to get Shiv first (speed you want it, crit you want it, AS, you want it) The extra damage is magical, which most people don't build until mid/late game. It increases your damage buy tons (thanks to backstab crits), MS for better ganks and counterjungling, and starts making you a farm monster.

    Build a Tiamat afterwards and you're simply a splitpushing monster. Shiv DOES cost more gold, but Zeal is a lot better then any of the Tiamat recipes anyway.

    I would probably never rush an IE. Yes the damage it gives is phenominal, but the recipes are extremely expensive, and Shaco's main strength is his early game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    I generally tend to get Shiv first (speed you want it, crit you want it, AS, you want it) The extra damage is magical, which most people don't build until mid/late game. It increases your damage buy tons (thanks to backstab crits), MS for better ganks and counterjungling, and starts making you a farm monster.

    Build a Tiamat afterwards and you're simply a splitpushing monster. Shiv DOES cost more gold, but Zeal is a lot better then any of the Tiamat recipes anyway.

    I would probably never rush an IE. Yes the damage it gives is phenominal, but the recipes are extremely expensive, and Shaco's main strength is his early game.
    I love to just gank over and over with Shaco, yeah I farm the jungle sometimes but I try to find every opening I can. Mid lane is my favorite to gank because you can get into the lane pretty far and burst the enemy mid laner fast. Top kind of sucks because a lot of the meta is tanky and you have to gank early and that option isn't always available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    I love to just gank over and over with Shaco, yeah I farm the jungle sometimes but I try to find every opening I can. Mid lane is my favorite to gank because you can get into the lane pretty far and burst the enemy mid laner fast. Top kind of sucks because a lot of the meta is tanky and you have to gank early and that option isn't always available.
    Well I checked the guide and Tiamat (Hydras) as core could easily work too. Actually did not know that the on active from Tiamat resets your AA timer, which is huge since you have Attack, Active, Attack in about 0.5 seconds for burst. Has the advantage of lifesteal.

    Hmm, testing this shit tonight. Still have to train my Dorans Blade Shaco start a bit too so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    Well I checked the guide and Tiamat (Hydras) as core could easily work too. Actually did not know that the on active from Tiamat resets your AA timer, which is huge since you have Attack, Active, Attack in about 0.5 seconds for burst. Has the advantage of lifesteal.

    Hmm, testing this shit tonight. Still have to train my Dorans Blade Shaco start a bit too so.
    Starting dorans is easy, it doesn't really even matter if you're half health after red, gank mid and you'll do more than enough damage either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    Starting dorans is easy, it doesn't really even matter if you're half health after red, gank mid and you'll do more than enough damage either way.
    Well why be at half health if you could be at 90% health? Ganking mid and getting succesfully counterganked because you're at 50% health isn't quite ideal either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    Well why be at half health if you could be at 90% health? Ganking mid and getting succesfully counterganked because you're at 50% health isn't quite ideal either.
    Well if you're a nub then you'll be at half health.

    Though there are some occasions where turret fear causes the enemy to go in the worst direction possible. I don't think you're really understanding how good doran's blade is, it's like being Vladimir Putin if that makes any sense to you.
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    Erm. You take zero damage from the first buff mob. You have smite and pots for second one. Why would you be @ 50% health?

    Another question - why go for Mid first instead of killing the enemy jungler at their second buff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    Well why be at half health if you could be at 90% health? Ganking mid and getting succesfully counterganked because you're at 50% health isn't quite ideal either.
    I'm @ 90% health after both buffs starting dorans.

    I think you're doing something wrong friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    Erm. You take zero damage from the first buff mob. You have smite and pots for second one. Why would you be @ 50% health?

    Another question - why go for Mid first instead of killing the enemy jungler at their second buff?
    Recently have been playing against fast clearers such as Udyr who I don't bother stealing red against because he'd fuck me. It varies on health, if you play your turrets right at red buff and swap aggro (there's a special trick) perfectly you'll retain near full health. Wait... Now that I think about it, it's probably because I steal red and then gank mid and then go for my red without smite which would leave me around half health and then I sometimes gank mid again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivalion View Post
    I'm @ 90% health after both buffs starting dorans.

    I think you're doing something wrong friend.
    You don't owe me a skin. :P

    I'll let you off the hook.

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    Also if you have the RP guys and you want to play Shaco at a higher level, get the damn Masked Shaco skin, it's much harder for the enemy to notice his poofs in the fog of war.
    You've probably never heard of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    Erm. You take zero damage from the first buff mob. You have smite and pots for second one. Why would you be @ 50% health?

    Another question - why go for Mid first instead of killing the enemy jungler at their second buff?
    He said it doesn't even matter if you're at 50% after 2nd buff (which I disagreed with). I just said I'm not used to starting Dorans Blade with Shaco as it DOES play a bit different in the beginning (as in your box has to tank, but you don't want it dead before it actually did damage, so you pretty much trade tank it for max box duration).

    I didn't mean to say that Dorans isn't viable. It's the best possible start, but it can be confusing to use if you're not used to it.

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    You don't drop one box. You drop 3. They will pretty much clear the entire buff by themselves. You do need to clear the minions, as the JitB won't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    You don't drop one box. You drop 3. They will pretty much clear the entire buff by themselves. You do need to clear the minions, as the JitB won't do that.
    I'm talking second buff. And I drop 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    Also if you have the RP guys and you want to play Shaco at a higher level, get the damn Masked Shaco skin, it's much harder for the enemy to notice his poofs in the fog of war.
    Wait, really?

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    If I were to play 12+ hours per day would it be possible to get gold rank before S3 ends being in silver 5? Playing as support and playing on a gold level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charecters View Post
    If I were to play 12+ hours per day would it be possible to get gold rank before S3 ends being in silver 5? Playing as support and playing on a gold level?
    It's totally possible, though much harder playing in the support role because it relies on you getting some one fed and then controlling team fights. It would be much easier from a carry position, and probably take less time as well.

    Fastest would be duo queue since you can support your duo, who you should know you can rely on to carry, and win more games that way.

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