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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    Complaining about Lee Sin's mobility while ignoring the fact that Leblanc exists isn't making your argument look strong.
    hence i ban her :P shes stupidly strong and hard to gank
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    The best thing about the Bronze 4 thread is the Teemo video. The DFG Lich Bane Teemo, bringing more burst than Le Blanc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    Complaining about Lee Sin's mobility while ignoring the fact that Leblanc exists isn't making your argument look strong.
    Thing with Leblanc is maximizing her mobility comes at a cost. Sure she can double port but by doing she sacrifices a chunk of damage, since she must use her ultimate to do so. Which I guess is my point, if theres a true penalty then there is more counterplay to it and I "think" thats what Riot is trying to accomplish here. Its why Shaco is being reworked, or they at least say they are because if done correctly a lot of his kit cant really be countered. Is he OP? Not at all, but doesnt mean everything is balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Thing with Leblanc is maximizing her mobility comes at a cost. Sure she can double port but by doing she sacrifices a chunk of damage, since she must use her ultimate to do so. Which I guess is my point, if theres a true penalty then there is more counterplay to it and I "think" thats what Riot is trying to accomplish here. Its why Shaco is being reworked, or they at least say they are because if done correctly a lot of his kit cant really be countered. Is he OP? Not at all, but doesnt mean everything is balanced.
    What damage does Leblanc sacrifice? She goes in on you and then hits W again to back off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    What damage does Leblanc sacrifice? She goes in on you and then hits W again to back off.
    Thats her basic combo. Im talking double dashing to get in range of someone which requires the use of Mimic, not goin in and immediately out. Which Leblanc has to do in a 3 sec window or she cannot W a second time.

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    Yesterday i've seen a Russian soap opera called "platinum 2", i don't watch TV, I was at a party, where TV was on, and after commercial break this thing started and there was like, 6 9 yo kids who played pirates i think and they argued about who is going to be boatswain. It was hilarious, just like in lobby for solo q.

    Also i've seen two 9 yo kids in subway (sandwiches) arguing about not being able to penetrate T-50 "frontal armour" (which is shit, i know, believe me, this tank has plate on his front armour without any slopes and it can be penned by anything)

    Then i've seen 14 yo kids arguing about spirit breaker being OPed character in dota. It was first time when i've seen so many scrubbies in one day in real life, and now i have whole new undestand on who i play with and against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    What damage does Leblanc sacrifice? She goes in on you and then hits W again to back off.
    her range on W is like, half of a range on Lees jumps, and CD on her escape is much longer, and she needs to land her W on you or she loses big chunk of damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    her range on W is like, half of a range on Lees jumps, and CD on her escape is much longer, and she needs to land her W on you or she loses big chunk of damage.
    Lee Sin W is 700 range and Leblanc W is 600. "half of a range" my ass. Lee Sin's Q is also a skill shot and if he misses it he loses out of a large part of his damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Thats her basic combo. Im talking double dashing to get in range of someone which requires the use of Mimic, not goin in and immediately out. Which Leblanc has to do in a 3 sec window or she cannot W a second time.
    Why would you compare double dash to Lee Sin's W? That would be more like Lee Sin kicking a guy away and then using W for more distance. Also going in and immediately out doesn't take 3 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilz View Post
    Lee Sin W is 700 range and Leblanc W is 600. "half of a range" my ass. Lee Sin's Q is also a skill shot and if he misses it he loses out of a large part of his damage.



    Why would you compare double dash to Lee Sin's W? That would be more like Lee Sin kicking a guy away and then using W for more distance. Also going in and immediately out doesn't take 3 seconds.
    I was talking about his Q, as we speak about jumping on someone. Or you assume that Lee jumps on someone with safeguard?
    Qs range is 1100, it's not exactly half of a range, but it is very close. Also, missing Lees Q is kinda, hard. And implying its CD its not even matters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Thing with Leblanc is maximizing her mobility comes at a cost. Sure she can double port but by doing she sacrifices a chunk of damage, since she must use her ultimate to do so. Which I guess is my point, if theres a true penalty then there is more counterplay to it and I "think" thats what Riot is trying to accomplish here. Its why Shaco is being reworked, or they at least say they are because if done correctly a lot of his kit cant really be countered. Is he OP? Not at all, but doesnt mean everything is balanced.
    They're reworking his E and a change to his ultimate. I just hope they don't change the invulnerability for .5 seconds on his ult, that is key to Shaco.
    You've probably never heard of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokka View Post
    They're reworking his E and a change to his ultimate. I just hope they don't change the invulnerability for .5 seconds on his ult, that is key to Shaco.
    I really doubt that they will leave it, at some point, they said that they want to make Shaco ult into something really impressive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    I really doubt that they will leave it, at some point, they said that they want to make Shaco ult into something really impressive
    If by impressive they mean improve the coding of the clone (it doesn't listen half the time) that would be good enough for me.
    You've probably never heard of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    I was talking about his Q, as we speak about jumping on someone. Or you assume that Lee jumps on someone with safeguard?
    Qs range is 1100, it's not exactly half of a range, but it is very close. Also, missing Lees Q is kinda, hard. And implying its CD its not even matters
    I'm finding it hard to take that argument seriously. The argument was that Leblanc can go in with W and then use her full combo and hit W again to back off, similar to how people complain about Lee going in and then using his safeguard to back off. Lee Sin isn't going to flash E people and then Q a minion at max range to escape.

    Also hitting a long range Lee Sin Q isn't exactly an easy skill shot and if he misses it during a fight he gets punished hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Thing with Leblanc is maximizing her mobility comes at a cost. Sure she can double port but by doing she sacrifices a chunk of damage, since she must use her ultimate to do so. Which I guess is my point, if theres a true penalty then there is more counterplay to it and I "think" thats what Riot is trying to accomplish here. Its why Shaco is being reworked, or they at least say they are because if done correctly a lot of his kit cant really be countered. Is he OP? Not at all, but doesnt mean everything is balanced.
    Honestly Le Blanc doesn't suffer. As Link proved the other day where he W'd Flashed DFG'd Q'd R and killed Voyboy, then hit W again and was 4 miles away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    Honestly Le Blanc doesn't suffer. As Link proved the other day where he W'd Flashed DFG'd Q'd R and killed Voyboy, then hit W again and was 4 miles away.
    I was Charmed by Ahri yesterday by her using ult (in fow) flashing to me and ulting again to land undodgable close ranged Charm and obliterating me with DFG>Q>W>
    iginte>R away to safety. If someone needs to use flash to be 4 miles away or to execute some sick shit, it's understandable, but Lee can do these things on much shorter CD

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Anyone think Yasuo W will be nerfed soon?
    Nerfed, no, reworked, yes.

    You can't have an ability that occasionally works in the third dimension in a clearly two-dimensional game.
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    Picked up Darius today, after not playing him for like 6 months, and damn he's so much fun! Only downside is he's so easy to gank early game.. After he hit 6 though, if people decide to give him double kill, by all means gank him. So much fun to dig up something old! Getting tired of the 'meta' for top..

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    The 'meta' exists only in people's head.

    Top has seen Ryze, Jax, Jayce, Shyvana, Lee Sin, Dr Mundo, Warwick, Renekton, Trundle, Gragas, LeBlanc, Garen and Lulu from the top of my head. Quite sure I missed a few.

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    Yeah, Darius can pretty much manhandle anyone he can get in range of in lane. I played Darius vs. Lee Sin before, and sent him back to base after 10 seconds because of Darius' incredible damage.

    Much of his problem is pretty much getting to people. He's a bit easy to kite, although his grab does help. Other top laners just does what he does more easily right now, or aren't as hindered by range as he is. It might also have to do with current popular items, but I'm pretty bad at items so I wouldn't know.

    Considering the meta though, sure, some champions are better off than others when it comes to current balance. But that doesn't mean one champion will always beat another. The better player will win, most of the time, regardless of playing a meta hero or not. Experience playing the game and the champion in question matters a lot, though.
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    Oh, forgot about Irelia and Tristana among others.

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