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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebirthdid View Post
    So I recently started playing LoL, played alot of dota before, where i played dwarf sniper. I'm currently looking for a ranged like him. I've played with caitlyn so far, I really like her but I just feel like she's missing something. More direct dps abilities, would be great. Are there any summoners like that?
    Closest to sniper from DotA is Caitlyn imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by PnBoots View Post
    da fuck you talking about, malz and anivia are far from fotm ap casters lol. Morgana if anything is FoTM and ritefully so as she is absolutley ridiculous. And you failed to mention the best ap caster still (orianna) either way malz and anivia are pretty bad.
    Morgana is not a nuke mage, she is a support. She needs to be very very fed to blow people up like Brand or Malz. Also avoiding her Q (which is soooo hard) cripples her whole damage combo.

    Her strongest skill is Black Shield anyway. Not saying she's bad, just a different type of AP char.

    Orianna's early game has been nerfed, we don't know how that's going to affect her yet. Her harass capability has gone down a lot with the range/mana nerf on Attack. I'm reserving judgment for now.

    Malz and Anivia are very good if played well. Malz is admittedly better in certain circumstances, Anivia can't do jackshit without her team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zealous View Post
    Orianna's early game has been nerfed, we don't know how that's going to affect her yet. Her harass capability has gone down a lot with the range/mana nerf on Attack. I'm reserving judgment for now.
    Orianna pushed back to support role, she can't keep up pressure in a solo mid environment any more against stronger champions (like Malz and Anivia!). This is my experience lately, anyway.

    The better AP champions tend to be those with a reliable CC, consider that for a while. The main exceptions to this rule are Anivia and Brand, who both just do so damn much AoE damage it doesn't really matter if they can lock you down for three seconds, you won't live that long.
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    Any advice on Talon and the "correct" way to play with him would be greatly appreciated. I get some of the lingo and what I don't get I'll figure out but anything about how to perform well with him could help me learn him a little better.

    I'm currently just sticking with one person to learn the game and him the best I can, is that even a good idea?



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    How new are you? If you don't know the items and heros all that well, just keep playing anything and everything until you have a good grasp of what everything does, that will help you the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustintimeSS View Post
    Any advice on Talon and the "correct" way to play with him would be greatly appreciated. I get some of the lingo and what I don't get I'll figure out but anything about how to perform well with him could help me learn him a little better.

    I'm currently just sticking with one person to learn the game and him the best I can, is that even a good idea?
    I wouldn't recommend Talon as a starting char.

    He's tricky.

    He can be one of the best assassins if you're an experienced player, but I wouldn't suggest seriously picking him up until you've played at least 100-150 games with players.

    Pick some of the lower "difficulty" champs for now, to learn (check the difficulty bar in their character sheets or turn on the "recommended" filter in champ tab).

    For guides, I recommend http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guides

    Pick the champ you're interested in, turn on filter to "Rating - highest" and look for guides ranked "Excellent" or "Great". There are some very good guides there.

    As you play more you'll create your own item builds for your favorite champs, the ones you are comfortable with in different situations. LoL is all about experience.
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    - I wonder if it's near the Injured Cliffs? Or the Limping Hills? Massive-Head-Trauma-Bay? No? Just me? *sigh* Forget I said anything.

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    Im playing with Annie atm
    i go with
    Amplyfing tome > Dorans Ring > Mejais Soulstealer > Rod of ages > Rylais Crystal Scepter > Rabadons Deathcap > Void Staff

    Im going for "Nuke" style, anyone know if im doing it correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealous View Post
    Pick the champ you're interested in, turn on filter to "Rating - highest" and look for guides ranked "Excellent" or "Great". There are some very good guides there.

    As you play more you'll create your own item builds for your favorite champs, the ones you are comfortable with in different situations. LoL is all about experience.
    Yeah, do this. I tried to start with Anivia/Udyr back then and I sucked hard, rofl. Then I tried Kassadin, Poppy and Singed and got better An easy champ to start with, similar to Talon would maybe be Pantheon, he can also be quite fun (especially in non-ranked-still-leveling-games)


    btw, can I get a hug? Had a huuuuge lose-streak today (only 2 wins in my match-history...holy fuck...) because of trollers, griefers and overfed enemies :x

    Quote Originally Posted by Antherios View Post
    Im playing with Annie atm
    i go with
    Amplyfing tome > Dorans Ring > Mejais Soulstealer > Rod of ages > Rylais Crystal Scepter > Rabadons Deathcap > Void Staff

    Im going for "Nuke" style, anyone know if im doing it correctly?
    "nuke"-style always right with Annie. If you kill your enemies before they kill you, you're doing it right (this basically is the gameplay almost every AP-mage nowadays follows)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antherios View Post
    Im playing with Annie atm
    i go with
    Amplyfing tome > Dorans Ring > Mejais Soulstealer > Rod of ages > Rylais Crystal Scepter > Rabadons Deathcap > Void Staff

    Im going for "Nuke" style, anyone know if im doing it correctly?
    Start with Doran's imo.

    100 health and mp5 is much better than 5 more AP early game.

    Rod of Ages is situational. You don't always have time to stack it, but I guess Annie needs the additional HP... dunno.

    As to Mejai - I personally really dislike snowball items. If you're not stomping everyone - they suck hard. If you're stomping everyone - why not start building something better that doesn't depend on not getting killed like Rylai or Rabadon?
    - Looks like they took him to some bolt hole in the Wounded Coast.
    - I wonder if it's near the Injured Cliffs? Or the Limping Hills? Massive-Head-Trauma-Bay? No? Just me? *sigh* Forget I said anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    How new are you? If you don't know the items and heros all that well, just keep playing anything and everything until you have a good grasp of what everything does, that will help you the most.
    Brand new. I'm memorizing items and skills purchases right now for Talon though.


    Quote Originally Posted by zealous View Post
    I wouldn't recommend Talon as a starting char.

    He's tricky.

    He can be one of the best assassins if you're an experienced player, but I wouldn't suggest seriously picking him up until you've played at least 100-150 games with players.

    Pick some of the lower "difficulty" champs for now, to learn (check the difficulty bar in their character sheets or turn on the "recommended" filter in champ tab).

    For guides, I recommend http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guides

    Pick the champ you're interested in, turn on filter to "Rating - highest" and look for guides ranked "Excellent" or "Great". There are some very good guides there.

    As you play more you'll create your own item builds for your favorite champs, the ones you are comfortable with in different situations. LoL is all about experience.
    Awesome, thanks for the advice.

    But I have a quick question. I am pretty crafty when it comes to gaming and I learn fast. Would it not be more beneficial for me to pick a trickier, more difficult champion from the start to become like a master of them? And perhaps learn the game by being tough on myself? I dont mind losing so that isn't a factor to me against bots.

    If it's more beneficial for me to choose like Garren or something to learn the game better than I'll do it. I was just under the impression that picking a harder class to play, learning it early and rocking hard with it will force me to learn faster and make me a bit more powerful out of the gate.

    Again, ty for the replies and the advice.



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    Dorans first if you are getting a dorans item. You also have to be very careful with snowball items (mejas leviathan occult) because they are only worth the gold past 8 stacks. Before that, they are a waste. So make damn sure you can keep 8 stacks or there is no reason to have a mejas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustintimeSS View Post
    [COLOR=#222222]Awesome, thanks for the advice.

    But I have a quick question. I am pretty crafty when it comes to gaming and I learn fast. Would it not be more beneficial for me to pick a trickier, more difficult champion from the start to become like a master of them? And perhaps learn the game by being tough on myself? I dont mind losing so that isn't a factor to me against bots.

    If it's more beneficial for me to choose like Garren or something to learn the game better than I'll do it. I was just under the impression that picking a harder class to play, learning it early and rocking hard with it will force me to learn faster and make me a bit more powerful out of the gate.

    Again, ty for the replies and the advice.
    I don't consider myself very bad either. I'm a long time WoW PvPer on multiple classes, I played DotA back in the day.

    But I still stick to what I've said because that's the way I learned.

    LoL has a lot of non-champion related important mechanics. Out-zoning, harassing, last-hitting, setting up ganks, tower diving (and sometimes - tower kiting/hugging :P), learning the right item builds for different situations (buying armor against dangerous AD carries, buying M-res against dangerous AP carries etc).

    Learning stat synergy for different champs and champ types.

    And one of the most important things - slowly learning your opponents. The game has more than 70 champs already and most of the more experienced summoners remember what each of them does and how to play against them (at least approximately).

    You won't learn much if you play a difficult squishy assassin from level 1 and die to brutalizer (non-deliberate LoL pun, kek...) champs like Garen, which destroy you in early game which in turn often leads to a snowballing defeat on lower levels.

    Lots of stuff to learn.

    Burdening yourself with a difficult char will result in all those lessons learned poorly because you were focused on mastering him. Plus, low-hp chars aren't the best ones to start with imo.

    And, hey, nothing wrong with Garen =) I play him a lot on 30th level, he's an awesome champ and not as simple as people think. Lots of "recommended" or low difficulty champs are great even at high levels.
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    All champions are good in their own way (except Sivir). Playing more of a variety will help you learn the game faster than playing one champion, I routinely switch "main" champions at least every two or three days. Even apart from simple things like items, skills, and builds, there is more concept that you need experience with to understand. Mainly, exactly what role each champion plays within a team and how to exploit enemies who fall outside that role even for a second.

    All fighters might have the same "job," but they have entirely different ways of going about it, and deeper concepts will take longer to get used to, it's easier to pick them up by playing these champions and succeeded/failing and learning that way, than to just play your "main" and try to watch other people.

    Honestly, your personal skill level is largely irrelevant in LoL. If you go watch games from the "best" players, rarely do they ever make a move that is at all astounding, and they don't use profound builds or strategies. What matters the most in LoL is knowing your place in the team, and working as a group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    All champions are good in their own way (except Sivir). Playing more of a variety will help you learn the game faster than playing one champion, I routinely switch "main" champions at least every two or three days. Even apart from simple things like items, skills, and builds, there is more concept that you need experience with to understand. Mainly, exactly what role each champion plays within a team and how to exploit enemies who fall outside that role even for a second.

    All fighters might have the same "job," but they have entirely different ways of going about it, and deeper concepts will take longer to get used to, it's easier to pick them up by playing these champions and succeeded/failing and learning that way, than to just play your "main" and try to watch other people.
    This is also very true.

    Play different champs when you can. Having a main is nice to fall back on when you want something familiar, but you also need to learn what Lysah here described (very eloquently, so I won't repeat or rephrase it :P).
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    Riot unlocked Kayle and her Judgement skin for me.. what's up with this trickery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefuu View Post
    Riot unlocked Kayle and her Judgement skin for me.. what's up with this trickery?
    Reward for at least 10 ranked games in S1.
    - Looks like they took him to some bolt hole in the Wounded Coast.
    - I wonder if it's near the Injured Cliffs? Or the Limping Hills? Massive-Head-Trauma-Bay? No? Just me? *sigh* Forget I said anything.

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    Thanks Zealous and Lysah. I had the wrong ideas in my head on how to learn. Luckily I asked. I will take both of your advice and try out different champions as well as learn some easier difficulty ones to get a better grip on the tons of strats that the game has. Much love for saving my crash course style of learning.

    I think I'll pick up Garen when I have enough IP because I liked him a lot from the tutorial. He seems to suit my aggressive play style a bit better anyways.



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    Quote Originally Posted by zealous View Post
    Reward for at least 10 ranked games in S1.
    not even lvl 30, 0 ranked

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    There are champions that are harder to play than others, we cannot deny that. If you're new playing Annie, Garen, Trynd or Morde will let you do fine. Starting with champions like Lee Sin, Anivia, etc. will probably make your head hurt.
    So, if you want to learn the general gameplay and not how to excel at a champion, pick some of the easier to play champions. It's absolutely no miracle cure for winning, you can still suck with those champions, but it's less punishing overall. Learning how to last hit, where to ward up, how to react in team fights, when to defend, when to attack, etc. etc. comes with practice and has nothing to do with what champion you play, at least not most of the time.

    For me, I love playing mages, I don't mind supporting, and I am quite good with tanks in top. I love jungling as noct and now that I bought vayne I'm doing okay as AD carry. If you hate being a mage, if you hate jungling, then don't do that. Find 1 or 2 roles that you like and buy champions that suit those roles.

    Yes play different champions, also for roles you dislike, not only will you might suddenly find a champion you enjoy, but it will also give you more knowledge of all the champions for when you face against them. I can name all the effects of every champions' abilities and getting to know the cooldowns on those abilties will give you the upper hand. I know the CD on all anivia and cho's abilties at each skill level which gives me an advantage when I face those as opposed to people who haven't played those 2 champions much. When Anivia throws out that Q against me and it misses, I know that I have approx. 10 seconds to harass her until she gets it back again.
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    Usually played Cho'gath as a bulky mage, but tried him as a full out tank today.

    He's ok, a little hard to initiate with him, since you can see his rupture from a mile away. He has decent burst even with tank items, thanks to his ult.

    But, he plays a role no other champ can, a wall. Literally a wall. Cho'gath gets so damn big, all our ranged squishies could sit behind me, and stop any skillshot from hitting them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefuu View Post
    not even lvl 30, 0 ranked
    Well they're giving her out to a lot of players, must have made a mistake.

    Be happy it's a fortunate one for a change =)
    - Looks like they took him to some bolt hole in the Wounded Coast.
    - I wonder if it's near the Injured Cliffs? Or the Limping Hills? Massive-Head-Trauma-Bay? No? Just me? *sigh* Forget I said anything.

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