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[Kaelwryn]

I think it doesn't work like that, slow debuff will still apply and she will crit, but slow won't work on them.

Iirc they said that she will not crit against people like Yi with ult on. lemme try to find the quote. Found it so yes is it how that works. Unless they decided to change it but I do not recall seeing such.

[Charge me Doctor]

Wow, that's quite huge downside. The whole strength of ADC characters is that they can crit for full health bar in late game, i understand that it's interesting and balanced change, but without an ability to crit for 600 in mid game two times in a row i have quite mixed feelings about Ashe now.

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[Anium]

Wow, that's quite huge downside. The whole strength of ADC characters is that they can crit for full health bar in late game, i understand that it's interesting and balanced change, but without an ability to crit for 600 in mid game two times in a row i have quite mixed feelings about Ashe now.

W - Ruthless Predator
NEW SHREDATOR Now grants 50 bonus range
SELF STUN ON EMPOWERED CAST 0.75 seconds to 0.5 seconds

Brb, messaging our top laner to gtfo and go support

Watch renek jungle come back with these changes, I can already see it. And it's scary.

Was in a game with ashe last night and she got a penta, so she must be good. kappa

Also, quick question about match making, If I'm duoing with someone say 4/5 divisions lower than me, let's say G3 and S2, how does that affect the people I/duo Q partner get paired against. Does the enemy team also have a slightly lower player to balance the books, or is it just dumb luck. Basically asking should I duo with someone 4/5 division lower than me, or will it hurt the games we get paired up with.

[Duilliath]

It will hurt the games you matched up with.

They'll either average out the median Elo to be slightly higher due to the gap + duo queue or find the exact line up in the other team (guess how often that happens).

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Wow, that's quite huge downside. The whole strength of ADC characters is that they can crit for full health bar in late game, i understand that it's interesting and balanced change, but without an ability to crit for 600 in mid game two times in a row i have quite mixed feelings about Ashe now.

W - Ruthless Predator
NEW SHREDATOR Now grants 50 bonus range
SELF STUN ON EMPOWERED CAST 0.75 seconds to 0.5 seconds

Brb, messaging our top laner to gtfo and go support

she will still be good
not many champs that can ignore the slow

olaf and yi is the only ones that comes to mind right now
and she still have a 100% crit chance against anything else

[Kaelwryn]

she will still be good
not many champs that can ignore the slow

olaf and yi is the only ones that comes to mind right now
and she still have a 100% crit chance against anything else

Morg black shield will also effect it.

[Deleted]

i've been playing a bit of ashe now and i'm so confused

i have no idea if i'm doing more dmg than other adcs
is it even worth using her Q on 5 stacks ? since it replaces her basic attacks which means you don't crit.

how does infinity edge even work on her? does it just add 50% dmg on top of her current crit dmg? or is it a 1.25 multiplier?
i found this for her passive 110 + (%Critical Strike Chance × (1 + Bonus Criticial Strike Damage)) %

that seems to be correct with what i had last game, it just mulitplies your crit dmg with the total crit chance you get from items


getting infinity edge + phantom dancer gets her at a total of 193% crit dmg
so if we assume you only build these two crit chance items but have crit dmg runes
9x Greater Mark of Critical dmg gets you to 204%crit dmg
9x Mark and 3x Quint of crit dmg gets you to 211% crit dmg

it's still 39% off from what other adc get with just infinity, but ashe has close to 100% crit chance and if you add a bit more crit chance from just one more item it should get you close or above 250% crit dmg

[Duilliath]

Frankly, you should be doing less damage than other ADCs. That's the whole idea. She gets far more utility and CC than other ADCs, so she deals less damage.

[docterfreeze]

Frankly, you should be doing less damage than other ADCs. That's the whole idea. She gets far more utility and CC than other ADCs, so she deals less damage.

But she also has 0 mobility, that's a big enough weakness already. Especially among all these hard-initiate tanks and gapcloser-filled assassins.

[Deleted]

Frankly, you should be doing less damage than other ADCs. That's the whole idea. She gets far more utility and CC than other ADCs, so she deals less damage.

The CC just doesn't cut it at the current time

there's a big amount of champs with gapclosers now and every new champ that comes out has some sort of CC or gapcloser/escape
combining that with the current Tank meta where you need to do a lot of dmg means she is just not usefull enough

[MyLifeIsRandom]

Would you recommend any item other than Sunfire Cape for Shen, in regards to split-pushing? I tried Static Shiv, but the proc didn't seem to do as much as I had hoped. I saw an opposing Shen use BotRK and he was split-pushing like mad but the item may not have been the reason. He didn't answer when I asked him about it.

[Toxigen]

Would you recommend any item other than Sunfire Cape for Shen, in regards to split-pushing? I tried Static Shiv, but the proc didn't seem to do as much as I had hoped. I saw an opposing Shen use BotRK and he was split-pushing like mad but the item may not have been the reason. He didn't answer when I asked him about it.

Kinda depends on your opponents and how the game is going.

If you / your team is behind, you'll probably wind up building full tank and Sunfire will be your only split push item.

Facing a big, tanky team? Sure, BOTRK is fine.

Are you ahead? Feel free to go Triforce...its amazing and you'll be able to 1 v 1 anyone.

If they have a ton of magic damage threat, go Wit's End (I rarely ever build this though, as if its super heavy AP I wind up doing Spirit Visage, Banshee's Veil, and Merc Treads..but I could see it working).

Any one of those three items, in addition to a Sunfire Cape, will make Shen a split push threat. However if they have 2+ AD sources, I highly recommend getting a Randuin's before a big damage item. You're a tank first, and if you ulti into a pending teamfight w/ only a Sunfire....you could get blown-the-fuck-up.

I almost always go some iteration of full-tank Shen w/ Triforce as a 6th item if the game goes super late.

[docterfreeze]

Would you recommend any item other than Sunfire Cape for Shen, in regards to split-pushing? I tried Static Shiv, but the proc didn't seem to do as much as I had hoped. I saw an opposing Shen use BotRK and he was split-pushing like mad but the item may not have been the reason. He didn't answer when I asked him about it.

Thornmail, just be sure to tank the whole minion wave.

[4KhazModan]

Have you guys tried the new Ashe? I actually think she is a lot more fun to play!

[Deleted]

Have you guys tried the new Ashe? I actually think she is a lot more fun to play!

played her for 5 games

She can do a ton of dmg now.

Her Q is rly strong

[Deleted]

The CC just doesn't cut it at the current time

there's a big amount of champs with gapclosers now and every new champ that comes out has some sort of CC or gapcloser/escape
combining that with the current Tank meta where you need to do a lot of dmg means she is just not usefull enough

That's why it's a team game though. There are a lot of 'popular' ADC's with no mobility. And then there's positioning of course. All in all, she got more CC now and more damage. Especially early game it seems.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

She seems a lot better now than she used to be, especially since her damage and CC scales really well into late game. Not sure how I feel about the W change, but I think she still does a ton more damage than she used to.

[Deleted]

About damn time:

[Duilliath]

Apparently, dropbox doesn't work like that.

[Deleted]

Really? It shows up fine for me, one moment.

Edit: How about now?