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    Grats on Mod Axethor

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftero View Post
    Ok, so I have a couple champions to talk about, which I have underestimated...

    Firstly, Riven. I've not met many good Riven players, so I always thought she was pretty strong, but with incredibly short range and easy to harass. Boy, did I find that wrong today. I went as Cho'gath against Riven in top, and she knew exactly what she was doing.

    I was almost too scared to go last-hit because she was so aggressive, taking good bits of health every time I got too close. She got a couple kills on me first, but eventually I managed to get some feed as well, and won over her in duels (barely). But she simply amazed me, I had never thought she could be that strong, and she completely dominated me in the lane-phase. I praised her in-game and after the match, because she was just damn good.
    Back on topic, I do that all the time. Most of the rivens I fight solo top are ok, but nothing special. Then I get too aggressive and I get gibbed. She just does a lot of burst that I always forget she can do. That and she is cd based and has no resource. When I'm j4 top its really annoying because she will start to out mana me (you know, since she doesn't have mana). Though it's not as bad when I'm rumble since he is also a cd champion.

    I find that I lose to riven a lot actually. Especially as rumble. I abuse her a little bit then she gets some levels and I get way too cocky or something. idk, I don't solo top very much.

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    Anyone been watching the MLG summer event today?

    Curse just did absolutely terribly against TSM, who they (TSM) got creamed by Blaze's aggressive tower pushing strategy earlier in the tourney, and then TSM adopted that strategy to go 3-0 on Curse.

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    did they give a reason for ruining the Proving Grounds ARAM map?

    single nexus tower is so shit........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    Anyone been watching the MLG summer event today?

    Curse just did absolutely terribly against TSM, who they (TSM) got creamed by Blaze's aggressive tower pushing strategy earlier in the tourney, and then TSM adopted that strategy to go 3-0 on Curse.
    Watched a bit of it, got amazed by that Korean team going 3-0 on Team Black from the situations where it looked like koreans are going to loose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kseux View Post
    Watched a bit of it, got amazed by that Korean team going 3-0 on Team Black from the situations where it looked like koreans are going to loose
    Black is playing with 2 subs, so not much was expected. Blaze is strong, they wont he last OGN and are looking just as solid this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reverendball View Post
    did they give a reason for ruining the Proving Grounds ARAM map?

    single nexus tower is so shit........

    Ye, the positioning for melee champs was really awkward to not get hit by both turrets if they drew aggro. That's the reasoning at least. They'd look into it though.

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    Seeing alot of Chos atm. Have been in game with 3 and they all did pretty good. He is a fantastic tank I must say.

    Also I have noticed this trend, people don't really pick tanks. All they want is a bruiser and build them dpsish O.o getting Triforce and Rylai/Frozen Mallet. Then going BT and IE. It's becoming a nuisance. I have to pick tank all the time.

    Also on Tris, what will be the last dps item you would get? I go for an extra BT, getting 1.1k crits from Bersekers/IE/BT/PD/LW/BT combo. I know the last item should be defensive, but games were I know the team is capable enough to defend me so I can nuke people down, I get a dps item. Not sure if BT is the best item or not.

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    I don't get a last DPS item on Trist, unless it's Frozen Mallet, which I only get if my team is far enough ahead that I don't have to worry about any major opponents (other than possibly some true damage folk). It's actually quite sick on her, as it will pretty much ensure people will never be able to kite or dive you.

    boots -> double doran's or pickaxe + vamp sceptre instead of second doran's -> finish boots -> Infinity Edge -> Zeal -> Either finish PD or Last Whisper -> grab whichever I didn't get of the last two -> finish Bloodthirster.

    Add appropriate defensive item at appropriate time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterisbest View Post
    Seeing alot of Chos atm. Have been in game with 3 and they all did pretty good. He is a fantastic tank I must say.

    Also I have noticed this trend, people don't really pick tanks. All they want is a bruiser and build them dpsish O.o getting Triforce and Rylai/Frozen Mallet. Then going BT and IE. It's becoming a nuisance. I have to pick tank all the time.
    Cho was always strong, just unreliable. Now that Rupture has a definite timer, it's a lot easy to hit so you notice them doing a lot better. The new legendary skin helps too.

    I've also noticed the bruiser trend, since it keeps me from playing something other than a tank in the jungle. A little annoying, but it's got me playing Skarner and Cho'Gath again so I don't mind.

    Not much help on the Trist side since I don't play her often and the only carry I play that actually makes it to late game is Kog'Maw, so I buy a Madreds if I feel I don't need the defensive item.

    So yeah, I'm playing Skarner again. I always loved him and now that I'm playing him again I'm going to try to perfect my Wit's End Skarner build order. I feel he does better and more consistent damage with Wit's End since his spells come up that much faster. It also means I never go into a team fight without my ult.

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    Speaking of bruisers, I just bought Volibear (mainly to make bear puns in chat) and he rocks so much! I hardly ever see him in games, but the games I just played I ended was 12/4/22 (duo top with Teemo) and 8/2/6 (they surrendered at 20) as solo top. a lot of fun to play and damn is he tough as nails, plus the damage he does to carries is pretty lol-worthy. Q -> R -> E -> W and they're pretty much dead in a second or two

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    Not getting a defensive item on an AD carry is the worst thing you can ever do. If you can survive a teamfight as you say without a defensive item, you´ll win the teamfight regardless if you have 2 BTs or not. At that point in the game one single misstake will lose you the game. I see so many AD carrys throw the game because they feel all god mode so they buy another PD, then they get caught in a teamfight and throw the game. ALWAYS get a defensive item.

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    QSS or GA are amazing adc items. If I recall correctly, QSS gets rid of Exhaust and other debuffs, ultimately making it better than any damage item you'll be able to pickup. If it doesn't get rid of Exhaust then I'm sorry for misleading. If you're just 100% committed to damage, a stacked Bloodthirster will give you the most output, Frozen Mallet probably the most uptime on champions. I've wondered about getting a Trinity Force on her too. Black Cleaver can be a nice addition if you feel the other team is super tanky and need more ArP but I'm not quite positive how attack speed stacks/falls off.

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    Gratz Axethor on moderator status. I'm sure you have been promoted to lead pimp of the moderators as well.

    Anyways, I have a question regarding roles in ranked teams. I know how to play all roles but should I focus on 2 main roles and my teammates the same?
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    If I'm doing really well on ranged AD, I like to pick up the GA after I finish the IE/PD combo. It also really helps if someone else on your team is doing pretty well too. So if you get focused, the other person has time to do some damage, and then you come back too.

    I prefer the GA over a QSS, but there are some situations where the QSS is superior. Say if they have a WW or a malz, or a skarner. Something like that. Or if you are getting spam exhausted every fight. I don't really like frozen mallet on ranged ADs, but I see how it could go really well on tristana. I think I saw Cop build it on her in a tourny sometime. Worked pretty well, but he still got dived every fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    Gratz Axethor on moderator status. I'm sure you have been promoted to lead pimp of the moderators as well.

    Anyways, I have a question regarding roles in ranked teams. I know how to play all roles but should I focus on 2 main roles and my teammates the same?
    When I started I had three roles I trusted myself in, with the other two being playable but certainly not the best. Having two main roles should work well and if what I've gone through is any indication you will eventually become proficient in any role. You will still have a best and worst role (jungle and support respectively for me) but the gap will be small enough that it doesn't really matter anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    When I started I had three roles I trusted myself in, with the other two being playable but certainly not the best. Having two main roles should work well and if what I've gone through is any indication you will eventually become proficient in any role. You will still have a best and worst role (jungle and support respectively for me) but the gap will be small enough that it doesn't really matter anymore.
    I was just wondering because I heard that people do that and I thought it was better if you focused on 2 roles mostly because then you get better at that role and the team is more efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    I was just wondering because I heard that people do that and I thought it was better if you focused on 2 roles mostly because then you get better at that role and the team is more efficient.
    Yeah. The idea is if your good at two roles it's likely that you will get one of them and everyone will have a role they are good at and can play. Since you are all playing in comfortable roles you have a greater chance at winning.

    I wanted to be safe and got good at three roles, but still ended up playing my two inferior roles. It happened often enough that I decided to get better at the remaining two or at least find a champ I could play well. It's how I discovered I was good at Kog'Maw for AD Carry, and Leona and Lulu for Support. Now, I play Kog a lot and while I still avoid support I can at least play it on multiple champs and expect to win a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duronos View Post
    I was just wondering because I heard that people do that and I thought it was better if you focused on 2 roles mostly because then you get better at that role and the team is more efficient.
    Two is a reasonable number for starting ranked, but I would be familiar with all five roles. You will at some point get stuck with the role you don't really want. If you find that you can usually get the role you want, then maybe focus on those roles a bit more, and just try to improve your gameplay. Though I would say at least knowing how to play all 5 roles is quintessential to ranked. If not for the fact that once you've played something a lot you know how to play against it better.

    Those are my two cents anyways.

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    Knowing all roles is important if you ever wanna get high up in Solo Queue, but it's better to know one or two roles well, than just being rubbish at all roles. But surely, if you play a lot, you will get opportunities to play all of them.

    My worst role is actually AD Carry, because I feel so extremely vulnerable and it's such a twitchy playstyle because of it. You really need to be on the ball not to get caught by good players.

    My best is support, though. I like helping people getting kills and making them live, though it all depends on how smart your teammates are, obviously.

    On the GA/QSS-thing; I figure that you'd want Guardian Angel just for negating damage, while QSS is more if CC is the thing stopping you. Knowing when to pick which is key to being a great player.

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    There's no point in getting a Trinity Force on Trist. The single biggest thing that is supposed to give you is the Sheen proc. You use your Q once every teamfight and that's it. Both a (2nd) Phantom Dancer and Frozen Mallet would offer more of interest.

    Black Cleaver is a bad choice on every single AD carry, barring a few exceptions. Those mostly revolve around being able to pick it up around ~10-12 minutes in. It will let you obliterate your lane opponent and when late(r) game rolls round you can sell it for the price of a Last Whisper.

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