1. #9741
    OHGODWHATHAVEISTARTED.

    a + b = c

    Where A = Yorick, B = lots of Armor, and C = baws

  2. #9742
    Quote Originally Posted by saberon View Post
    Actually, the inverse is true. The more armor you have, the less effect Last Whisper would have.
    If that were the case, this graph must be turned the wrong way.

  3. #9743
    Quote Originally Posted by Qauren View Post
    OHGODWHATHAVEISTARTED.

    a + b = c

    Where A = Yorick, B = lots of Armor, and C = baws
    I lol'd, hard.

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  4. #9744
    Yeah your statement was true, and that graph shows that.

    Putting that silly argument aside XD
    However I kind of don't like graphs like that because it doesn't take into account BC's attack speed bonus. The graph should take average damage over 5 seconds or something. and then I am pretty sure BC's damage could actually be closer to LW. Just saying the actual effect in game would be different than what it shows.

    However I think the purpose of that graph was just to show the trend of armor and LW then it's cool. Just pointed it out.
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  5. #9745
    Quote Originally Posted by Elial View Post
    Yeah your statement was true, and that graph shows that.

    Putting that silly argument aside XD
    However I kind of don't like graphs like that because it doesn't take into account BC's attack speed bonus. The graph should take average damage over 5 seconds or something. and then I am pretty sure BC's damage could actually be closer to LW. Just saying the actual effect in game would be different than what it shows.

    However I think the purpose of that graph was just to show the trend of armor and LW then it's cool. Just pointed it out.
    There was actually another graph that showed DPS instead of just damage per hit and BC wins out until about 300 armor. BC gives 800'ish gold worth of attack speed for just 550 or so extra, what it comes down to is whether or not you're primarily using skills or autoattacks.

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    Im not sure what to say, but I think mostly you are talking a different thing. Yes LW is more effective than BC when the opponent has higher armour, but even with LW armour has a very strong impact on reducing your damage. Its pretty obvious from that graph, that even against a LW at 300 armour you've reduced your opponents damage by nearly 70%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    Im not sure what to say, but I think mostly you are talking a different thing. Yes LW is more effective than BC when the opponent has higher armour, but even with LW armour has a very strong impact on reducing your damage. Its pretty obvious from that graph, that even against a LW at 300 armour you've reduced your opponents damage by nearly 70%.
    The point isn't the numbers on the graph, it's the curve of it.

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    Except that at 300 armour, armour is still reducing the enemies damage vs LW, maybe if the graph flattened out later then you can say its pointless to go to that armour value vs a LW. Quite clearly in this case there is nothing bad at all going 300 armour vs a LW.
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  9. #9749
    Quote Originally Posted by Zefie View Post
    There was actually another graph that showed DPS instead of just damage per hit and BC wins out until about 300 armor. BC gives 800'ish gold worth of attack speed for just 550 or so extra, what it comes down to is whether or not you're primarily using skills or autoattacks.
    Ah thanks was about to say. Usually the only person I really get LW for is Rammus or someone stacking insane armor. Besides him I go BC.

    @xanjori, yes it is "Technically" reducing the enemies damage the more you get, but as you can see, at a certain point the extra reduction you get per point of armor is actually not worth the gold you are spending on it. You would probably gain more from buying hp. If I had to look at that graph I'd say at about 200-220 would be the max cutoff point. Anything more than that kinda wastes your gold

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    Except the guy listed his items, Frozen Heart + Randiuns, at which point the attack speed slow are probably the biggest DPS decreases you could have in this game. Seeing as they combined offer nearly 200 armour, then Ninja tabi are _always_ 10% reduction vs AAs, then no, there is no inefficiency to this build at all, these 3 items rank as probably the most gold efficient items in the game.
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  11. #9751
    I just started playing LoL.... general noob question: How do the bases activate on Dominion? Like how can you make them start shooting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElementalThreat View Post
    I just started playing LoL.... general noob question: How do the bases activate on Dominion? Like how can you make them start shooting?
    You have to capture them (click on the towers themselves), once you've capped a tower it will shoot automatically at enemies unless it's no longer under your control or an enemy is capturing it (You'll see them shooting a beam at the tower, deal damage to them and the animation stops and the tower will shoot again).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    Except the guy listed his items, Frozen Heart + Randiuns, at which point the attack speed slow are probably the biggest DPS decreases you could have in this game. Seeing as they combined offer nearly 200 armour, then Ninja tabi are _always_ 10% reduction vs AAs, then no, there is no inefficiency to this build at all, these 3 items rank as probably the most gold efficient items in the game.
    I wasn't commenting on anyones build, I was purely jumping on the comment that getting 300 armor is still a damage reduction. That isn't true gold to armor value-wise. The other passives of the items that brought him to 300 armor. Now that is a different story and would need a completely different graph.... yet again -.-

    On a side note. With the introduction to the active on Morellos evil tome. Will it be worth it to buy vlad still? I was considering him, and then I saw that.

    Edit : Since we went there. Does the AS slow from Frozen heart and Randuins omen stack?

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    Yes they do. It the same with Wither. Nasus+these items will reduce your AD carry to 1 attack per 8 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elial View Post
    I wasn't commenting on anyones build, I was purely jumping on the comment that getting 300 armor is still a damage reduction. That isn't true gold to armor value-wise. The other passives of the items that brought him to 300 armor. Now that is a different story and would need a completely different graph.... yet again -.-

    On a side note. With the introduction to the active on Morellos evil tome. Will it be worth it to buy vlad still? I was considering him, and then I saw that.

    Edit : Since we went there. Does the AS slow from Frozen heart and Randuins omen stack?
    If anything, it pushes Vlad to play solo top more than mid, but he is still a fine pick. Also, you are forcing either the support, AP carry, or both to buy Morello's, so I consider that a win. Kinda like if you see a Malz on the enemy team you should take cleanse or buy QSS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    If anything, it pushes Vlad to play solo top more than mid, but he is still a fine pick. Also, you are forcing either the support, AP carry, or both to buy Morello's, so I consider that a win. Kinda like if you see a Malz on the enemy team you should take cleanse or buy QSS.
    ? Vlad's always been top. Much better top then he is mid. He shits on most common picks top and his pool lets him lane top relatively safely. Runnign him top lets you run another mage mid for double WotA.

  17. #9757
    Quote Originally Posted by mrpoker View Post
    Anyone knows how many ghost skins are there in game? Off my head i can remember Spooky GP, Spectral Fiddle and Haunting Nocturne which is sadly not available anymore. I just love those ghost skins and am thinking of forming a team game for it. How i wish i was around when Haunting Nocturne was available haiz.
    bumpz for anyone who knows about skins.

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    That's the third time. Stop bumping already. If someone knew, they would've answered. You could just set your rear in motion and check out the skins yourself, you know.

  19. #9759
    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    If anything, it pushes Vlad to play solo top more than mid, but he is still a fine pick. Also, you are forcing either the support, AP carry, or both to buy Morello's, so I consider that a win. Kinda like if you see a Malz on the enemy team you should take cleanse or buy QSS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurdiern View Post
    ? Vlad's always been top. Much better top then he is mid. He shits on most common picks top and his pool lets him lane top relatively safely. Runnign him top lets you run another mage mid for double WotA.
    Well That's kinda good to hear since I need another mage for top/mid. mostly top though, So it won't be a waste to buy him. Got so many bruisers/Ad's for top >.<

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    On a completely unrelated note, it took me until now to notice the new refer a friend system. Managed to nab a good 5k IP from it with no work. =D

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