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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaughty8 View Post
    Well, I can't carry as a support. Those lost games were as a supprt. I did all I could but for exmaple one Kog just had to go rambo and get catched by blitz...6 deaths in a row and later on blame me for not helping him to fight feed ez, etc.
    Alaitoc is on the EU servers too, and from what I understand the EU and Asian servers are in general more competent and more competitive. I don't know if that has anything to to do with him winning almost all of his games as support, but I think it does. Though I don't know what server you play on. It is possible to do that on the NA server, it's just a lot less likely. I've found that most ranged ads can farm pretty well, but they fail miserably when it comes to team fighting. Sometimes you get some good ones though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurdiern View Post
    You can make plays as a support. In fact, bottom lane is more dictated and directed by supports than people think. You have less of an obvious and direct influence as opposed to Mid or Jungle, but you're still there and you can still make plays. My friend got to gold by playing support like 90% of the time.

    Specializing in one role is never smart anyway.
    I consider AD the hardest role to carry with. Bot is 75% down to the support, and since it's the only duo lane you're likely to see, you're essentially getting two people fed and putting two people behind by winning it. "Carrying" as a support is completely doable. If you trust your AD and see your mid overextended, go and camp their brush until the enemy jungler arrives to gank. Counter their gank and get your mid a double kill. It works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaitoc View Post
    I consider AD the hardest role to carry with. Bot is 75% down to the support, and since it's the only duo lane you're likely to see, you're essentially getting two people fed and putting two people behind by winning it. "Carrying" as a support is completely doable. If you trust your AD and see your mid overextended, go and camp their brush until the enemy jungler arrives to gank. Counter their gank and get your mid a double kill. It works.
    AD carries hardest late game, which tends to not happen as much in solo que. Much easier and smarter to stomp the early and mid game, demoralize opponents and end before there even is a late game. Good supports can do plenty though, the only issue is that you're expected to do a full team member's job with like 1/3rd the amount of gold everyone else gets. Always respect a good support, they make life so much easier.

    The only issue is when your AD is horrible and you have to support them, your influence is limited to your lane only. Leave your AD and risk losing him and a tower.

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    Dear diary, I stomped phreak in 3s today.

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    If you're going to play support when you start going ranked, then it's kinda obvious why you went down the bottom, you should never go support in the first few games because it's very hard to carry, unless you're a good support that can allow your ad carry to carry, but it doesn't seem like that.

    Also, there's more noobs in ranked because a lot of people that just went level 30 didn't wait some time to get more experience, runes and knowledge of the map, so yeah, more noobs in ranked than in draft.

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    I'm so close to finally getting out of bronze. I've put it off for so long and now I'm two games away. I was one game away but then I played a game as support. Not my best idea, I should of demanded another role. Oh well.

    Two more games! I'd go for gold but I don't have that kinda of time this close to the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methanar View Post
    Dear diary, I stomped phreak in 3s today.
    Haha what?
    Really?

    Sure it wasn't some fancy E or something that was different to his name?


    God I hadn't played in so long. Played my first game today, as Sej.
    We woooon.
    Was fun. I really love Sej.
    I was VS'ing an Ashe. And it was fun in our 1v1 battles slowing each other, and ulti'ing each other.
    When I saw her ulti animation, I'd fire off mine, and we would end up both being stunned, then back on the persuit.

    It's good not playing every single day like I used to with friends. I seem to be less ragey, which is a good thing for everyone. No ban for my account, no unhappiness for random strangers.
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    Everyone now call mid/top/jungle in first 2sec of game
    Rarely see anyone call support (no surprise) or ranged AD
    What happened to ranged AD? A role that a year ago everyone tried to take to no one want it anymore ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuthe View Post
    Haha what?
    Really?

    Sure it wasn't some fancy E or something that was different to his name?
    According to Lolking, it looks like it was the other way around. Phreak plays too many games, but he was I think 11/5/5 as Jayce when I looked and it was a victory. (tbh, I wanted to see how bad he was beaten, and was sad to see you had lost that game Methanar).

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    I still love ranged AD, but the skill gap there is so big sometimes. You can see this in decision making, farming, harassing and especially teamfights.

    Had a game last night, did really well before teamfights, 3/0/3, but got caught out by the fed players on other team twice. Stupid, yeah, but I hate it when those others then start whining about how bad you are. Really? You just lost your lane and tried to 1v1 Orianna as Vlad pre-6? And they kept whining, mind you this is a rylais/revolver VLad after 30 minutes, how I was so bad on EZ because I didn't have a Trinity. The lane I was in and the support I had gave me better results with IE, which I got at 15 minutes, followed by LW (ALi double dorans shields, tanky other lanes) meaning I did "Tons of Damage" without Trinity. But no! Rylais Vlad kept hammering on how I did no damage. Go ...

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    Apparently the new "gg easy" is "noobs no honor for you".
    Last edited by Worer; 2012-10-08 at 01:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methanar View Post
    Dear diary, I stomped phreak in 3s today.
    It doesn't work to lie when your lolking is in your signature and we can see that you lost that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    If you're going to play support when you start going ranked, then it's kinda obvious why you went down the bottom, you should never go support in the first few games because it's very hard to carry, unless you're a good support that can allow your ad carry to carry, but it doesn't seem like that.

    Also, there's more noobs in ranked because a lot of people that just went level 30 didn't wait some time to get more experience, runes and knowledge of the map, so yeah, more noobs in ranked than in draft.
    Exactly. Kurdiern and Isrozzis - I am sad that I did not record my first matches. I seriously did all I could as a support and lost because of rambo ADC or feeders. I play on EUNE, wanna know how horrible it's low elo is? Sometimes u get serious players, but 1/3 of my games have russian trollers, just like yesterday, our mundo went jungle, died to blue golem...so he ragged and started to run @ the enemy and just feed them, standing still. He was buying only boots, died 15 times and logged off. The rest of the ranked match we played 4vs5 and of course lost..we hold the enemy for 40 minutes but in the end, they finally pilled up and did a perfect initiate (skarner, garen, morde, soraka, corki) on us (we had 2 adc...I played Taric, yes, I said "no double adc please" but the second adc said "I cant see!" and picked Cait...wtf).
    Alot of my geams I have idiots and can't rise my elo. 90% of my defeats are because of such scenario. I must be unlucky. I would love to make them all pay + 10k euro or lose their house for every game they show their stupidity. Ppl should be punished hard for every troll attempt, so they finally maybe will learn how to behave normally.
    Last edited by Slaughty8; 2012-10-08 at 01:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaughty8 View Post
    Exactly. Kurdiern and Isrozzis - I am sad that I did not record my first matches. I seriously did all I could as a support and lost because of rambo ADC or feeders. I play on EUNE, wanna know how horrible it's low elo is? Sometimes u get serious players, but 1/3 of my games have russian trollers, just like yesterday, our mundo went jungle, died to blue golem...so he ragged and started to run @ the enemy and just feed them, standing still. He was buying only boots, died 15 times and logged off. The rest of the ranked match we played 4vs5 and of course lost..we hold the enemy for 40 minutes but in the end, they finally pilled up and did a perfect initiate (skarner, garen, morde, soraka, corki) on us (we had 2 adc...I played Taric, yes, I said "no double adc please" but the second adc said "I cant see!" and picked Cait...wtf).
    Alot of my geams I have idiots and can't rise my elo. 90% of my defeats are because of such scenario. I must be unlucky. I would love to make them all pay + 10k euro or lose their house for every game they show their stupidity. Ppl should be punished hard for every troll attempt, so they finally maybe will learn how to behave normally.
    ah well, not much you can do about that. I've had a few games close to that caliber, not very many. I guess just keep laddering.

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    The best solution for ranked, atleast in low Elo, is to get a partner that is good, one less noob/troll/afk/etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    The best solution for ranked, atleast in low Elo, is to get a partner that is good, one less noob/troll/afk/etc.
    yep I have noticed, that it's the best to get duo, adc + jungle. It insanely rises the chance of winning. I had such duo premade last night in my team, they + me on mid, we rocked hard 26:2 although we had noob top and support.
    But I dunno any good adc/jungler, all ppl I know play top/mid or with bots to chill :P
    Last edited by Slaughty8; 2012-10-08 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaughty8 View Post
    yep I have noticed, that it's best to get duo, adc + jungle. It insanely rises the chance to win. I had such duo premade last night in my team, they + me on mid, we rocked hard 26:2 although we had noob top and support.
    But I dunno any good adc/jungler, all ppl I know play top/mid or with bots to chill :P
    That's why people should play draft before going to ranked, it's very similar, the difference is that the noobs/trolls/etc are very low, atleast in EUW, and my hidden Elo is 1.8k last time I checked, so I haven't seen one of them for some time, also you can meet a lot of good people in draft and then you can partner with them.

    Everyone should play draft first and try and play with the same person for a few games, then you two can play ranked and have a lot more chances of winning.

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    Good advice. Well, "hidden elo", how can one check it's value?

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    Wasn't a lie, I personally raped in him in lane but my shyv just kept pushing out and getting caught by zyra and eventually fed jayce to 8/4ish at which point be was able to 2v3 us.

    At the end jayce did way too much damage and we had no hard cc, only slows and knock backs.

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    Oh and they were all diamond in every queue but 3s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaughty8 View Post
    Good advice. Well, "hidden elo", how can one check it's value?
    There was a site that checked that if you played with someone that had already been checked by the site, that's how I was told it worked.

    But the site doesn't work anymore, I don't know why.

    This is mine, but it hasn't been updated for a while, for anyone I think.

    http://lolmatches.com/player/euw/26372122/Razari

    Type your name and see if it appears anything, but it's not updated so yeah.

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