1. #21161
    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    what range do you think ye average ad carry or mage type person has?
    Not the point. Completely irrelevant. I am discussing semantics. Intended meaning of words. People have to read it and figure it out. Now, this has proven to be quite difficult for me to get across to you, but when people refer to close range, they often mean melee. When people give examples of close combat using a slash, that slash signifies that we're talking comparable items. Which, a range of 125 versus 525, they are not.

    So my understanding of what he posted was, that he thought or assumed I was about to use this in melee. The fact that he even added Cat form, when I personally never referenced it, emphasized that theory.

    Once more, I don't disagree with ranged still being "closer than really far" (which counts for most champions though). This was about what I thought he meant and apparently didn't mean. It's clear now, so we're back to just repeating what you said 2 pages ago, over and over

    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    sidenote, sona is relatively difficult for much the same reason ashe is: positioning is paramount. you're only squishy if you get hit... but her poke and utility go well beyond what nidalee offers.
    Isn't her poke just as far as any ranged champions default attack range?

    And really, relatively difficult? I think half the LoL community just LOL'd behind their computers. Positioning is paramount for any champion in this game.
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  2. #21162
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    Isn't her poke just as far as any ranged champions default attack range?
    Yeah, but Sona doesn't have to stick to the target to poke her targets. All she has to do is dive by, press Q, and move away. She could be in and out before you have time to react, and you might end up chasing her which could very well be a bait for her ult, or allow their ADC to have a go at you while you target the support.

  3. #21163
    Quote Originally Posted by Rampant Rabbit View Post
    Yeah, but Sona doesn't have to stick to the target to poke her targets. All she has to do is dive by, press Q, and move away. She could be in and out before you have time to react, and you might end up chasing her which could very well be a bait for her ult, or allow their ADC to have a go at you while you target the support.
    I'll need some practice doing that :P My Lux adventure seems a little successful though. Can't say for sure until we've played multiple games together, but my last duo queue game he had a very good farm. I kept zoning Ashe + Leona, while he farmed creeps. Thing with Leona is that you never have her under her tower, but my friend only died once, due to never having met her :P He's levelling rapidly, but lacks experience with the many champions in the game, I guess.

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    Hi guys! I'm new to 30, trying to get better before I step into ranked. I main support for the most part (10 straight wins and counting with Janna) but I can play everything reasonably well besides jungle (don't know who, when, or how to gank).

    First off, would you advise playing support in solo queue? Carries seem very hit-or-miss as far as skill goes and it's always the support's fault when the carry gets greedy and dies.

    Also, I watch a lot of Wingsofdeath and Scarra's streams, but I haven't found a decent support player who streams and breaks down the game as well as those two. Any suggestions?

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    Yeah please main support, especially those aggressive ones like taric or leona, they works well with any ad carries, I rarely see good support in solo que ...

    Just make sure you ward properly, dont steal kill/farm from ur ad carry.

  6. #21166
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    I'll need some practice doing that :P My Lux adventure seems a little successful though. Can't say for sure until we've played multiple games together, but my last duo queue game he had a very good farm. I kept zoning Ashe + Leona, while he farmed creeps. Thing with Leona is that you never have her under her tower, but my friend only died once, due to never having met her :P He's levelling rapidly, but lacks experience with the many champions in the game, I guess.
    Well, to keep up with the pace, I (as Sona) joined two games. One practice bot game to get a feel for Sona again and one real match. I played Bottom together with Draaaaaaven and we basically trashed them. Their comp wasn't the standard issue support + ADC, but Vayne + Talon, which makes me think they'll lack the CS, but whatever.

    http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35172588#history

    Game was quite exciting. Our TF had to leave at level 5 (he came back later), so we basically had to fend off 5 with 4. Bottom lane worked pretty well. Draven died 1 time the entire game, I died twice. We had this beautiful ACE with 2 man standing and a Quadra kill on Draven, after which I used Shur and we rushed the mid base tower and their forgotitsname. The extra minion spawn thing. The timing was so tight, we took it down the second they respawned.

    They tried to get a Baron, but one of us was smart enough to ward it (not me, actually, still struggling with the Sightstone + item limit + Sightstone cap)and I rushed in with an Ult that was just a tad bit too early, afraid to waste the moment. I died, but we had 3 or 4 man standing after that fight and they surrendered. Pretty golden actually.

    I for one will be watching my own replay :P Iron out the flaws. Site is offline atm, so I can't upload.

    And this Draaaaven was gooood.
    Last edited by Vespian; 2012-12-30 at 12:45 AM.

  7. #21167
    Quote Originally Posted by okayKilljoy View Post
    Hi guys! I'm new to 30, trying to get better before I step into ranked. I main support for the most part (10 straight wins and counting with Janna) but I can play everything reasonably well besides jungle (don't know who, when, or how to gank).

    First off, would you advise playing support in solo queue? Carries seem very hit-or-miss as far as skill goes and it's always the support's fault when the carry gets greedy and dies.

    Also, I watch a lot of Wingsofdeath and Scarra's streams, but I haven't found a decent support player who streams and breaks down the game as well as those two. Any suggestions?
    I personally think support is excellent for ranked. Youll almost always getr your prefferefv role and you will be able to avoidd most fights in lobby increasing your chance to win. Since few ppö main support there is a lot of room to outplay your opponent. Generally dupports are way more hit or miss than carrys in solo queue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespian View Post
    Well, to keep up with the pace, I (as Sona) joined two games. One practice bot game to get a feel for Sona again and one real match. I played Bottom together with Draaaaaaven and we basically trashed them. Their comp wasn't the standard issue support + ADC, but Vayne + Talon, which makes me think they'll lack the CS, but whatever.

    http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35172588#history

    Game was quite exciting. Our TF had to leave at level 5 (he came back later), so we basically had to fend off 5 with 4. Bottom lane worked pretty well. Draven died 1 time the entire game, I died twice. We had this beautiful ACE with 2 man standing and a Quadra kill on Draven, after which I used Shur and we rushed the mid base tower and their forgotitsname. The extra minion spawn thing. The timing was so tight, we took it down the second they respawned.

    They tried to get a Baron, but one of us was smart enough to ward it (not me, actually, still struggling with the Sightstone + item limit + Sightstone cap)and I rushed in with an Ult that was just a tad bit too early, afraid to waste the moment. I died, but we had 3 or 4 man standing after that fight and they surrendered. Pretty golden actually.

    I for one will be watching my own replay :P Iron out the flaws. Site is offline atm, so I can't upload.

    And this Draaaaven was gooood.
    Sona is one of my go to supports and the first one I found I enjoyed (Taric and Soraka? Boring as all hell). Learning how to poke with her and dominate the bushes is the hardest part of laning, because she is quite squishy. Once you hit 6 though you just rake in the kills. Her ult is so strong. I've won games from behind with well placed Sona ults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okayKilljoy View Post
    Hi guys! I'm new to 30, trying to get better before I step into ranked. I main support for the most part (10 straight wins and counting with Janna) but I can play everything reasonably well besides jungle (don't know who, when, or how to gank).

    First off, would you advise playing support in solo queue? Carries seem very hit-or-miss as far as skill goes and it's always the support's fault when the carry gets greedy and dies.

    Also, I watch a lot of Wingsofdeath and Scarra's streams, but I haven't found a decent support player who streams and breaks down the game as well as those two. Any suggestions?
    For support specifically, I recommend watching Xpecial (support player for TSM). He's not only a support main and very talented player, but he's actually a pretty nice guy, and he seems pretty open to teaching people about the game, being nice to those with less experience, etc. He's pretty good about explaining stuff as well.

    Start with his generic support guide found here.

    From there, just try to catch his stream while he's on. I'm not sure how good he is at commentating his actual stream, but even if he doesn't do it all that well, just watch what he does. Where he wards and when, etc.

    I believe that he has a guide written for each individual champion in addition to his generic guide, which can all be found on solomid.

    Another tip, is try to play quite a bit of ADC as well. It gives you quite a feel for supporting, because you learn, as an ADC, what you like your supports to do, and then you can approach the role of support from the mindset of "if I were an ADC, I would want my support to do <insert action here> right about now".

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    Taric boring? He's helluva aggressive in lane, what's boring about him? There's nothing more fun than laning with a Graves and popping -everything- you both have at the enemy(ies) the moment you hit 6. All that's left is a huge crater and the enemy still standing, things happening too fast for them to notice they're dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Taric boring? He's helluva aggressive in lane, what's boring about him? There's nothing more fun than laning with a Graves and popping -everything- you both have at the enemy(ies) the moment you hit 6. All that's left is a huge crater and the enemy still standing, things happening too fast for them to notice they're dead.
    True, actually one of the funner supports able to finish off 1-2 people with lower hp, tanky as hell too.

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    Taric has got to be one of my favorite champions, I love it when they run into my bush at the start of the game, followed by exhaust.

    Lategame is stun is effective as hell vs high DPS'ers & his ulti benefits all of his team last I remember. Don't get me started on his heal once you get cooldown reduction items.

    But I don't play ranked so what do I know. D:

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    Following up on what other people said, as a support, you can actually make/help set-up plays, it doesn't have to be the passive heal-fest that people associate the role to be. Even Soraka can help out with some plays, saving your E to silence to interrupt an enemy channeled spell such as a Katarina ult, or using your ult to potentially save a teammate that's tower-diving/being tower-dived.

    The ward coverage you'll usually be responsible for will make those plays even easier to set-up.

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  14. #21174
    hi durr. this might be a stupid ass question, but.

    can you smart cast wards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    hi durr. this might be a stupid ass question, but.

    can you smart cast wards?
    Yes. Just set your smart-cast items keys up to do so.

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    A question here..

    Why they can't do more skins for maps ? Actually they have the winter one , the Halloween one.. But more could be fun. I don't know how you guys can play over and over and over in the same environment. Ok this is a moba game and its based on champions but.. I don't know.

    Its like when you play a race game and always do the same circle with different cars...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Taric boring? He's helluva aggressive in lane, what's boring about him? There's nothing more fun than laning with a Graves and popping -everything- you both have at the enemy(ies) the moment you hit 6. All that's left is a huge crater and the enemy still standing, things happening too fast for them to notice they're dead.
    I find him boring and his kit is counter productive. Damage them but lose the armor? He isn't that hard to kill after that, so your definitely dead if you screw up. Leona is so much more fun and I can pull off many more cool things with her. Taric is passive in comparison. Same compared to Sona. I can do more with them while Taric feels like a buff bot and extra damage source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malkazam View Post
    A question here..

    Why they can't do more skins for maps ? Actually they have the winter one , the Halloween one.. But more could be fun. I don't know how you guys can play over and over and over in the same environment. Ok this is a moba game and its based on champions but.. I don't know.

    Its like when you play a race game and always do the same circle with different cars...
    They recently revamped SR, so we won't likely see updated winter and Halloween versions of SR for a while.

    Skins for the maps are usually not top priority items because of the exclusivity of them.

    As for other maps/game modes, Twisted Treeline and Dominion (Crystal Scar) don't see as much play as SR does, but ARAMs (Proving Grounds) are popular.
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  19. #21179
    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    Yes. Just set your smart-cast items keys up to do so.
    holy shit i have never noticed them before, tho i've just skimmed the keybinds other than regular smart casts.

    i've never really cared about smart casting wards before, but i'm keen on learning lee sin, and feel like it's a must if it was possible, so ty

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    I want to buy Kha'Zix, but is he any good?

    Me and a friend of mine find him blatantly OP.


    But is he really that good? :P

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